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bigbahamadada · 08-13-2008, 06:58 PM

Over the past few months, I've gone from not at all interested, to being slightly enamored with the thought of 100 points at BLT. If prices are anywhere close to these levels, the interest level is back to zero. And this from someone who will be paying cash to stay at the Contemporary this weekend.

If for the same up front cost, I could have 100 points at BLT or 170+ points at VWL via resale - that's not exactly a tough call. Give me more VWL in a heatbeat. The extra 5 days I could stay each year will more than offset the convenience of being able to walk to MK.

im4disney · 08-13-2008, 06:59 PM

While there appears to be lots of interest in BLT here in internet/disney message board land; in this economy, I just don't think there is any way many folks will pay $140pp. Yeah, some would jump right away, but I think that things would cool very, very quickly.

We are very serious about BLT; but at that price per point, we would be in "wait and see" mode. It should be very interesting in the next six months or so.

I don't believe anyone really knows what is going to happen, but Disney is going to have to "pull the trigger" on BLT soon.

sk8belle · 08-13-2008, 07:19 PM

If they are having problems with sales units reaching their goals at the current pp structure, with their current marketing plan (I know who Steve Harvey is, but have NEVER seen any DVC marketing with him in it), do they really think pricing BLT at $140+

is going to improve things? Maybe not being able to reach those goals has to do with something other than bad/misdirected marketing. Granted, there are those who will pay that price, but are there enough to sell out BLT? That just doesn't seem realistic.

Ransom · 08-13-2008, 07:53 PM

Looks like I better buy my VWL add-on real soon now...

robinb · 08-13-2008, 07:54 PM

I am a probable BLT buyer, but not at $140 per point. That's absolutely insane. Maybe they are just "softening" us up for a $110+ price point ... we'll feel lucky to "only" pay $110 instead of $140.

zulaya · 08-13-2008, 07:55 PM

I think I may have seen Steve Harvey in one Disney Files magazine, but I may not be remembering right.

Maybe I'm the wrong demographic for them.

DVC should have expected this with the economy being as it is. They should have revised their goals when it was obvious that a lot of people are financially strapped or tightening their belts. That's their fault.

That being said, $140 per point...I don't know...maybe they are hoping the Europeans with their favorable exchange rate will pick up the slack. But it's just as expensive for them to fly over to the US now, so who knows?

DVC Mike · 08-13-2008, 07:59 PM

Maybe they are just floating this rumored price of $140+ per point through the DVC community to help push AKV sales? It would certainly help them reach their sales targets for this fiscal year.

I just don't see them selling BLT for $140 per point come October 1st.

HauntedPirate · 08-13-2008, 08:01 PM

$140/point? In the current economy?

I guess we all knew DVC management wasn't a bunch of geniuses, but this is the icing on the proverbial cake. There's no way on God's green earth I'll pay $140/pt for the Contemporary tower. I'll go pony up $90/pt at BCV or less at VWL and be much happier.

The points chart will be interesting as well. My interpretation is that the points chart is the MAXIMUM number of points that can be charged per room, per year, correct? If so, then they could put out an outrageous initial points chart (ante up at 40/night for a studio, anyone? Maybe 80/night for a 2-br?), and then scale it back when no one wants to stay there.

Morons....

Oh yes, welcome back, Tony! Hope all is well.

mountainjourno · 08-13-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HauntedPirate

The points chart will be interesting as well. My interpretation is that the points chart is the MAXIMUM number of points that can be charged per room, per year, correct? If so, then they could put out an outrageous initial points chart (ante up at 40/night for a studio, anyone? Maybe 80/night for a 2-br?), and then scale it back when no one wants to stay there.

No - this is kinda the "matter can not be created nor destroyed" situation. Once point chart is in action (and the sales have started), they can't just remove points, they'd need to reallocate them to different nights or categories for the same resort. They can't just remove points off the charts altogether. So they'll need to think very carefully about this!

jbrowna · 08-13-2008, 08:08 PM

As long as they keep the point charts reasonable, I can see them trying to overprice the points. After all, they can always offer some incentive to bring the price down. But once they file the point charts, they'll be stuck with them for the life of the contract -- presumably 50 years -- so I hope they keep the charts in line with other resorts. Like others have suggested, I might be willing to pay a small premium over the cost of AKV points, but not as much as this rumor says. At what's being rumored I'd just take my chance with my cheaper points at the 7 month mark.

Of course, I suppose they could impose a restriction that wouldn't allow non-owners to book there -- I believe that would be allowed under DVC contracts, since the only resort you are guaranteed to be able to book at is the resort you actually own. But I think if they tried that they might find themselves with a lot of unhappy DVC'ers and an empty building! Besides, if they did that, would that mean BLT owners would be prohibited from using their points to book at other DVC resorts? Meaning, they'd pay a premium price for points that are less flexible? Man, I'd hate to try and sell THAT!

I suspect that they might try to price the GCV points that high, or even higher, since my opinion is that most of the contracts sold there will be in the 25-50 point range, so the overall cost won't pinch so much. But I think if they go that high for BLT they're going to find it even harder to reach their sales goals.

08-13-2008, 07:54 PM	#15
robinb Two Bedroom Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 796	I am a probable BLT buyer, but not at $140 per point. That's absolutely insane. Maybe they are just "softening" us up for a $110+ price point ... we'll feel lucky to "only" pay $110 instead of $140. __________________ - Robin Owner since 1997 BWV & AKV

08-13-2008, 07:55 PM	#16
zulaya Two Bedroom Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Circle Pines, MN Posts: 625	I think I may have seen Steve Harvey in one Disney Files magazine, but I may not be remembering right. Maybe I'm the wrong demographic for them. DVC should have expected this with the economy being as it is. They should have revised their goals when it was obvious that a lot of people are financially strapped or tightening their belts. That's their fault. That being said, $140 per point...I don't know...maybe they are hoping the Europeans with their favorable exchange rate will pick up the slack. But it's just as expensive for them to fly over to the US now, so who knows? __________________ ~Mary Virtual Assistant My Disney Blog ~ http://disneymary.blogspot.com DVC Homes at BCV and AKV Many, many trips! Pampered Chef Incentive Trip in June 2010- CSR! Holiday Fun at BCV: Nov 27-Dec 4, 2010

08-13-2008, 07:59 PM	#17
DVC Mike Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: 550 miles from WDW Posts: 3,332	Maybe they are just floating this rumored price of $140+ per point through the DVC community to help push AKV sales? It would certainly help them reach their sales targets for this fiscal year. I just don't see them selling BLT for $140 per point come October 1st. __________________ Mike (MOD 100) My 6 DVC Home Resorts: BLT, VGC, AKV, VWL, BWV and BCV! A happy DVC member! My Facebook Page

08-13-2008, 08:01 PM	#18
HauntedPirate One Bedroom Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: MN Posts: 471	$140/point? In the current economy? I guess we all knew DVC management wasn't a bunch of geniuses, but this is the icing on the proverbial cake. There's no way on God's green earth I'll pay $140/pt for the Contemporary tower. I'll go pony up $90/pt at BCV or less at VWL and be much happier. The points chart will be interesting as well. My interpretation is that the points chart is the MAXIMUM number of points that can be charged per room, per year, correct? If so, then they could put out an outrageous initial points chart (ante up at 40/night for a studio, anyone? Maybe 80/night for a 2-br?), and then scale it back when no one wants to stay there. Morons.... Oh yes, welcome back, Tony! Hope all is well. __________________ -=Dave (aka. HauntedPirate) "Safety, Courtesy, Show, Efficiency" 240 @ SSR since May 2005 Last: 1BR AKV-Kidani; 5/3/10 - 5/10/10 Next: [Surprise birthday trip! 11/17 - 11/20, OKW Studio] Then, 1BR BLT LV; 2/2/11 - 2/10/11 MOD 30 3rd place 2008 Inaugural season - MODly Men Of The World Fantasy Football league 2009 MMotW FFL Champs

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08-13-2008, 06:58 PM	#11
bigbahamadada Two Bedroom Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 562	Over the past few months, I've gone from not at all interested, to being slightly enamored with the thought of 100 points at BLT. If prices are anywhere close to these levels, the interest level is back to zero. And this from someone who will be paying cash to stay at the Contemporary this weekend. If for the same up front cost, I could have 100 points at BLT or 170+ points at VWL via resale - that's not exactly a tough call. Give me more VWL in a heatbeat. The extra 5 days I could stay each year will more than offset the convenience of being able to walk to MK.

08-13-2008, 06:59 PM	#12
im4disney Waiting to pass ROFR Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 24	While there appears to be lots of interest in BLT here in internet/disney message board land; in this economy, I just don't think there is any way many folks will pay $140pp. Yeah, some would jump right away, but I think that things would cool very, very quickly. We are very serious about BLT; but at that price per point, we would be in "wait and see" mode. It should be very interesting in the next six months or so. I don't believe anyone really knows what is going to happen, but Disney is going to have to "pull the trigger" on BLT soon.

08-13-2008, 07:19 PM	#13
sk8belle Waiting to pass ROFR Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NoVA Posts: 27	If they are having problems with sales units reaching their goals at the current pp structure, with their current marketing plan (I know who Steve Harvey is, but have NEVER seen any DVC marketing with him in it), do they really think pricing BLT at $140+ is going to improve things? Maybe not being able to reach those goals has to do with something other than bad/misdirected marketing. Granted, there are those who will pay that price, but are there enough to sell out BLT? That just doesn't seem realistic.

08-13-2008, 07:53 PM	#14
Ransom Grand Villa Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 1,887	Looks like I better buy my VWL add-on real soon now...

08-13-2008, 08:08 PM	#20
jbrowna Studio Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 198	As long as they keep the point charts reasonable, I can see them trying to overprice the points. After all, they can always offer some incentive to bring the price down. But once they file the point charts, they'll be stuck with them for the life of the contract -- presumably 50 years -- so I hope they keep the charts in line with other resorts. Like others have suggested, I might be willing to pay a small premium over the cost of AKV points, but not as much as this rumor says. At what's being rumored I'd just take my chance with my cheaper points at the 7 month mark. Of course, I suppose they could impose a restriction that wouldn't allow non-owners to book there -- I believe that would be allowed under DVC contracts, since the only resort you are guaranteed to be able to book at is the resort you actually own. But I think if they tried that they might find themselves with a lot of unhappy DVC'ers and an empty building! Besides, if they did that, would that mean BLT owners would be prohibited from using their points to book at other DVC resorts? Meaning, they'd pay a premium price for points that are less flexible? Man, I'd hate to try and sell THAT! I suspect that they might try to price the GCV points that high, or even higher, since my opinion is that most of the contracts sold there will be in the 25-50 point range, so the overall cost won't pinch so much. But I think if they go that high for BLT they're going to find it even harder to reach their sales goals.