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Old 11-10-2016, 12:42 PM   #111
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However the thing is that we never have planned a vacation 11 or 7 months out. We travel off semi-off season or what DVC calls the "Choice Season" for Aulani. Usually our vacations are planned 1 to 3 months in advanced because of our hectic schedules. So is there really a benefit for us to purchase where I want to stay since we don't plan 7 or 11 months in advanced?
You need to evaluate whether you will get the accommodations you desire at 1 to 3 months. DVC books up and getting a reservation 1 month ahead of time may be extremely difficult. But once you get to 7 months or less, there is no advantage to using Aulani points over any other points.

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If this is the case this is where I think in my situation it would be better to buy "best value" like SSR(Not sure what is the best value but i hear SSR all the time I am still doing research of the MF and such and what would be the best). Am i missing something or is this the case. I am definitely leaning toward best value even though I will be staying at Aulani 2 out of 3 times every 3 years.
"Best Value" is the term used for the combination of buy-in and annual dues that results in the lowest cost to the owner. As such, SSR is usually the cheapest to buy and has the lowest (or soon will) maintenance fees (also called annual dues). Some resorts have an extremely high buy in cost and high maintenance fees. Those points really are only valuable if used to book at the home resort since the true value of those points is to get a reservation within the booking window (because you'll never get a room otherwise). For example, if you want to book a Christmas reservation at Poly you better own Poly points. At 7 months, the Poly points lose their value because somebody with cheaper points with another home resort has the same priority in obtaining a reservation as the Poly owner. So at 7 months you want to use the cheapest points to book your room.

Unfortunately, the "best value" requires some prognostication about the future of that resort and the others in terms of what the maintenance fees will be over time. What we've thought about that over the last five years has changed quite a bit with respect to certain resorts, so I'm not sure you can trust any analysis of what resort will offer the best value over time. We can make educated guesses and forecasts, but we can't predict the future.

As far as "best value" you also have to consider if you think you'll ever want to sell your contract. Resale value would have some part of the analysis in that case.

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I think once out of 3 years we will probably go to WDW to get our fix. So that is why DVC is also appealing since we can use it to stay at the resorts in florida as well. We actually never stayed at a DVC other then Aulani so I don't know the experience of staying at a DVC in WDW. We usually have done budget hotels since most of the time we are out. DVC seems appealing now tho because while it is only the two of us, we are planning to have kids eventually and they are going to be Disney kids 100%.
DVC is only a value if you want deluxe accommodations. DVC is going to be much more expensive than "budget accommodations." With DVC you can usually get a 1BDR suite for the price you'd pay for a hotel room with 2 double beds at normal rack rates at a deluxe hotel. The better the hotel, the better the value of DVC.

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As a side question, I saw DVC buyers of polynesia people recommend just buying retail since the spread is short for resale. Does this hold true with Aulani since they are retail as well? I know poly resale is $120-$140 or so but Aulani resale was $95-$115 which i think is enough to justify resale - correct me if I am wrong.
Resale purchases now have restrictions on the use of those points. For example, you can't use resale points to book a room at the Disneyland Hotel. It cuts down on your ability to use the points in certain ways. Most Mouseowners on this forum do not believe those other uses are a good use of the points because you can often rent your points to another person which would generate enough cash to pay cash rates and then some. However, in my own experience, I've found using points for hotel rooms to be an excellent value in CA during certain time periods that have very high cash rates (for example, the half marathon).

The annual dues/maintenance fees are the same whether you buy direct or resale. So your decision is based strictly on the buy-in cost. You just need to compare the costs and decide whether the difference in that cost justifies the additional privileges that come with direct. As resale prices approach direct pricing, the more likely that paying that price is worth the additional cost, especially in view of the long term nature of the contract (that is if you amortize the buy-in cost over the length of the contract). Poly resale rates are probably very high due to the fact that is a new resort with very few resale contracts on the market. Additionally, that property is small so there will ultimately be fewer contracts in total and thus, less of them on the market at any given time.
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Old 11-11-2016, 10:49 AM   #112
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Is there any public info out there on DVC availability by number of months out? For instance, let's say I really like BCV but the economics of SSR work better. Is there any way to research what times of year I wouldn't be able to book BCV 7 months out?
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Old 11-11-2016, 11:30 AM   #113
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I'm not aware of a formal resource for this, but much of it can be predicted.

BCV is small so it's harder to book in general.
Points charts reflect demand to a point.
Events like F&W make BCV/BWV harder to book (than normal)
Holidays, spring break, summers are harder for all resort-attached resorts.

I'm sure the folks around here will have more first hand examples.

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Is there any public info out there on DVC availability by number of months out? For instance, let's say I really like BCV but the economics of SSR work better. Is there any way to research what times of year I wouldn't be able to book BCV 7 months out?
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Old 11-11-2016, 05:53 PM   #114
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Is there any public info out there on DVC availability by number of months out? For instance, let's say I really like BCV but the economics of SSR work better. Is there any way to research what times of year I wouldn't be able to book BCV 7 months out?
There isn't a Disney source, but there are online sources that provide pretty good advice.

http://www.dvcrequest.com/how-soon-should-i-reserve.asp
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