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View Poll Results: Do you plan to buy points at Disney's Riviera Resort?
I am still considering purchasing Riviera directly from Disney despite the restrictions. 19 9.27%
I don't know what I am going to do because of the restrictions. 8 3.90%
I was considering buying Riviera directly, but I will not buy now direct or resale. 15 7.32%
I was considering buying Riviera directly, but now I plan to buy via resale if the price is right. 10 4.88%
I was always planning on buying Riviera via resale, and I still plan on it. 2 0.98%
I was not planning to buy Riviera direct or resale and still don't plan on it. 151 73.66%
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Old 02-10-2019, 11:11 PM   #121
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This is going to be the new normal going forward. There will be no regrets from Disney as long as they can keep the money machine going!
Few businesses like to turn off an easy sale though. That seemed to be a minus in their mind in regards to PVB - not the usual interest from existing owners. They have decided there will be over riding benefits that are worth the risk. Only time will tell if that is correct.
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Old 02-11-2019, 12:45 AM   #122
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Well, no. That was more than a little over achieving to think that! Considering it started selling during the recession and that they had 3 other resorts they were selling at the same time (SSR, AKV and VGC) it did still sell very well though. They did write up a lot of contracts in the initial sales period to existing owners.
I wish I could’ve been one of the initial purchasers of BLT and VGC. I wasn’t even out of grad school, but it would’ve been nice to get in then.
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:59 AM   #123
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BLT sales started in the fall of 2008, which was a bad timing with the recession under way. A year later, they had an extremely good sale for BLT to generate sales on Black Friday.
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I agree it will sell and will sell fine. But it seems like it may not sell well to what has typically been a good set of buyers for DVC - current owners. Yes, the changes are influencing but that's all part of the resort. I've wondered if the restrictions will end up being something they regret but no, I'm not concerned that it won't sell.

Thank you for the clarification. It sounds like they flooded the market during a difficult sales time, but it eventually caught up and sold out.

I wonder if they're trying to mimic the real estate markets of places like NYC: Prices are going through the roof, and inventory is very low. Create demand and invent a new customer base by offering a shiny new product, much more "compact and streamlined", offered at a premium.

Personally, my biggest concern is the small size of the rooms, moreso than anything else, but I guess we'll see if/when we get a tour in April.

IMO, isn't it a GOOD thing if they can expand the market to a new segment? By that I mean: selling to existing owners is a good thing, but it is eventually an unsustainable plan. Just ask H-D...
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:41 AM   #124
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Thank you for the clarification. It sounds like they flooded the market during a difficult sales time, but it eventually caught up and sold out.

Personally, my biggest concern is the small size of the rooms, moreso than anything else, but I guess we'll see if/when we get a tour in April.

It wasn't so much flooding the market as the market crashed around them.



Are the rooms small? I did not think so, except for the Tower Studio rooms.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:55 AM   #125
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It wasn't so much flooding the market as the market crashed around them.
Understood, thanks.

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Are the rooms small? I did not think so, except for the Tower Studio rooms.
I think maybe I had the wrong idea, since I had the Tower Studio in my head. I put together this quick list of 2BR room sizes, since that's what we'd be interested in:

SSR - 1075
BCV - 1083
BWV - 1072
CCV - 1105
AKV - 1152
BLT - 1152
VGF - 1232
RR - 1248 sqft
OKW - 1395

I know that sq ft-age doesn't always tell the whole story, as layout and feel can contribute greatly. That list shows that I was probably way off on my opinion that they'd be small tho, as RR is obviously on the very generous end of the list!
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IMO, isn't it a GOOD thing if they can expand the market to a new segment? By that I mean: selling to existing owners is a good thing, but it is eventually an unsustainable plan. Just ask H-D...
I don't know that it could be called a new segment - it'll still be people who either get caught up in their Disney vacation and decide on a whim it's so awesome that they want that every year (impulse buyers) or those who love Disney and do visit frequently as well as like what Disney is doing with the parks and with this resort and are encouraged to plan on repeated stays there. It's that last group that I think most current owners fall under and we're often a group with addonitis. DVC would not really want to "cure" that affliction but I'm just musing after seeing the poll results if maybe they have for many. It also may just be hitting a saturation point in resorts at WDW for those who already own and they'll have to rely on the Disney park lover that hasn't bought yet.
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