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Old 03-29-2018, 07:48 PM   #31
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USDOT puts the annual number at 37,461, or 102 per day. https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases...fic-crash-data
Don't look at the data on unrestrained children, it will break your heart.
Yeah, that seems more realistic. I thought the numbers I was given were awful high. So much for fact checking before I went on the air

Following your provided link and adding the totals for each cause of death, I get an annual total of 47,402 (almost 130 per day). Maybe they're counting multiple causes as one accident in the 37,461 total???
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Old 03-29-2018, 08:10 PM   #32
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I remember this being revealed at the time of the shooting on the Pulse nightclub. I thought I remembered that Mateen scoped out Disney Springs with his wife and child.
I remember that too.

Honestly, we have been extra cautious for a while when traveling to/around WDW, Disneyland, and other places that draw crowds. I was thrilled that they implemented metal detectors. Bombings are not *that* common in Indonesia, but not long after two bombs went off in Jakarta over 15 years ago, all malls and 5 star hotels implemented security guards that would open all car doors (before it entered drop off/pick-up areas or parking lots) and do a visual check + a sweep with a metal detectors. Every mall also implemented TSA style baggage scanners for purses and metal detectors for people to walk through before entering each door. It never felt restrictive; I just felt safer.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:39 PM   #33
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I'm not surprised by this. As a retired LEO I've thought for a long time now that WDW would be a perfect target for a terrorist, domestic or foreign. I know that Disney has taken security measures, some that we can see and some that we can't, but I'm still responsible for my family wherever we are and I'm always aware of our surroundings.

Meanwhile I see others totally oblivious to what's happening around them and I can understand that while we're all inside the Disney "bubble". Unfortunately the fact of the matter is that we all have to be more aware.

Sorry, didn't mean to lecture but this is a topic that is near and dear to me.
You are right. Cooper Color Code! Know it, live it, even at Disney. You never want to go from condition white to condition red. I try but itís easy to be falsely secure on vacation
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:22 PM   #35
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Law Enforcement Officer. I don't mind saying that I did 35 years in the same department, my hometown in fact, with my last two as Chief.
Local city chief is 41, but he has worked for the city since he was 17. He started as a dispatcher, as did our chief investigator. Oh the stories I could tell about those two! . Gotta love small towns...
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Local city chief is 41, but he has worked for the city since he was 17. He started as a dispatcher, as did our chief investigator. Oh the stories I could tell about those two! . Gotta love small towns...
Your post made me smile... I get it.
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Meanwhile I see others totally oblivious to what's happening around them and I can understand that while we're all inside the Disney "bubble". Unfortunately the fact of the matter is that we all have to be more aware.

Sorry, didn't mean to lecture but this is a topic that is near and dear to me.
Any suggestions of what people should be doing? Doing a scan of the area every X seconds? Looking at waistbands to see if there are any weird lumps? I'm probably one of the oblivious ones, but I'm really not sure of what one should be doing.
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Any suggestions of what people should be doing? Doing a scan of the area every X seconds? Looking at waistbands to see if there are any weird lumps? I'm probably one of the oblivious ones, but I'm really not sure of what one should be doing.
Really good question. The biggest one is to be aware of your surroundings.

Are there large groups of people causing a disturbance? (Is that group just boisterous or do they look like they are flash mobbing to loot and cause trouble?) Is someone walking around in non season appropriate clothing (large heavy coats, dark clothing, [both during summer or hot times of the year] heavy tactical backback or duffle that appears to be stuffed full or have hard protruding items in it).

If something dangerous were to happen, what would your course of action be? [DHS link to pamphlet HERE]. Run Hide Fight. Do you know where some emergency exits are? Is there somewhere you could go to seek shelter?

No this isn't to scare you but simple common sense things are effective. Your 'guard' should be commensurate with the anticipated level of risk. Catching the last subway ride in a strange city at the end of a long night, your awareness should be a little bit higher than say for instance, walking to your suburban mailbox at 3pm.

While on vacation, You feel very much in tune with whatever is going on. Your senses are on overload. You are looking after your kids, trying to navigate to the next Disney Springs store. So yea, you aren't thinking that some adversary will be reaching into the over-packed duffle with intent to cause harm.

But as for me, I'm not scanning waist bands at Disney, I'm not constantly with my head on a swivel looking for danger. I try to keep an awareness of the cues from the environment and try to know where to go to get away. In the parks, that is generally pretty easy. Lots of shops, cast member only areas to slip into. Same with Disney Springs, which doesn't have the same general security screening the parks would.

I'm not an expert. There are tons of resources out there about response to events.
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