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Steamboat Bill
10-03-2006, 04:52 PM
Has anyone (other than me) ever been banned from DISboards?

To summarize the issues:

1. I simply started a thread on raising rental rates for DVC points. This was not well received.

2. My first two attempts to start the thread were locked because the moderator thought the wording implied "price fixing" so I modified the post to ask member suggestions for rent and what I thought was a fair amount. I was given warnings each time, but they were not too serious. Just something like your post was deleted because of word choices. This was the first time in 4 years (and over 400 posts) I have ever been locked or even warned by a moderator.

3. I did not use profanity, was not racist, was not anti-Semitic, and did not flame anyone. Some posts may have been sarcastic, but not offensive.

4. I then posted a challenge ad on a different forum to rent points at $14 rather than the current $10-11.

I am NOT a professional timeshare broker or professional renter. Just check my posts and eBay.

You can search my previous messages on DISboards if you want.

I later had my brother log in (Pegleg Pete) on his computer (using my router) and that post was banned. It appears that DISboard is now banning my IP address.

I have tried sending them an e-mail to explain that i did not break any of their RULES as posted on the FAQ, but never get any replies.

lllovell
10-03-2006, 05:02 PM
Good luck Bill but you won't get an answer probably.

A few others here have been banned from the DIS, but most of us just left because we were no longer interested in being there.

Welcome!

Laura

crazywig
10-03-2006, 05:10 PM
i'd been following your posts and wondered how long it would take them to ban you.:sosad:


personally i've noted mods shutting down threads a lot more lately...posting seems more restrictive and i've certainly posted a lot less because of it.

plus i like it here better :)

jaysue
10-03-2006, 05:17 PM
We have had posts deleted in an arbitrary fashion and have been threatened with getting banned in the past - there are specific webmasters over there that have specific views and do not allow much if any posting that is not in line with their specific views. The site is almost becoming "corporate" like with the amount of censorship of non-aligning views.

We still post over on those boards but not on the DVC boards - Webmaster Doc and others have put too much of their personal stamp on those specific boards

We were happy when these boards were started since we now have a DVC oriented board again that allows diverse views and opinion.

Cheers
jaysue

KNWVIKING
10-03-2006, 05:38 PM
Let's see..... have I ever been banned from the Dis ???? Only about 30 times or so and they also blocked one of my IP addy's, (but I have several to choose from).

Based on the topic you were posting if I were a Mod I'd probably have simply deleted your post & warned you away from the topic. Basically, what you are trying to do is improve your profit margine for point rentals. NutButt tried similar posts years ago as well as his many sock puppets. While NB never got banned, many who didn't like his agenda did because they went up against him & Doc. Actually I'm very surprised Doc didn't defend you.

Honestly Steamboat, I've never had dealings with you in the past - unless you are NB - but if you bring your same agenda to this board, I'll probably get banned from here also.

Steamboat Bill
10-03-2006, 06:17 PM
Let's see..... have I ever been banned from the Dis ???? Only about 30 times or so and they also blocked one of my IP addy's, (but I have several to choose from).

Based on the topic you were posting if I were a Mod I'd probably have simply deleted your post & warned you away from the topic. Basically, what you are trying to do is improve your profit margine for point rentals. NutButt tried similar posts years ago as well as his many sock puppets. While NB never got banned, many who didn't like his agenda did because they went up against him & Doc. Actually I'm very surprised Doc didn't defend you.

Honestly Steamboat, I've never had dealings with you in the past - unless you are NB - but if you bring your same agenda to this board, I'll probably get banned from here also.

I am not NB (I have no idea who that person is). I have always been Steamboat Bill as Steamboat Willie is my favorite character.

Fortunately, there are a variety of ways to change or mask an IP address and get another e-mail address. Thus, getting banned from DIS is a minor inconvieance and solves nothing.

I do not want to ressurect the discussion on point rentals as I AM NOT A COMMERCIAL RENTER.....I am simply someone who invested over $80,000 into DVC and owned 1,000 points since 2001. For the first few years I used all my points (horray) but found the exchange for DCL EXPENSIVE and found it wsa better to rent/transfer for $10-11pp and pay cash for the DCL rather than book via DVC for about $7 credit per point. That saved me over $4pp and I had 1,000 points!!!

I used DIS to rent/transfer points and noticed the purchase price for DVC rise from $71 pp to over $103 pp during tha past 5 years. However, the rental price of DVC points never rose from the $10pp that people were getting in 2000. I wanted to try to change this...but was met with tremendous resistance that eventually got me banned from DIS.

I have now given up and will sell most of my DVC contracts. I will keep one 250 point contract and try to get $11-$12pp whenever I need to rent points.

I have since bought a Westgate Park City ski week and a Marriott Platiunm in Williamsburg for II trading purposes.

I have found TUGbbs and Timeshareforums to be very receptive to my style of posts, we will see how well I am received here....

carolina_yankee
10-03-2006, 07:13 PM
Welcome to Mouseowners. You are definitely in esteemed company through your 'banned' status. As some have posted, our noble pedigree includes several DISBoards cast-offs.

We do strive to be truly moderate in our moderation - but there are topics that can be a bit too hot to handle for general conversation. They're listed in this post:
http://www.mouseowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2293. Basically, the goal is to just keep threads from degenerating into divisive arguments that fracture community. The moderators are also pretty good at contacting posters by PMs when there is a problem so a member won't be taken by surprise.

Enjoy your time here!

Dirk

TW1
10-03-2006, 07:20 PM
Steamboat, welcome to MouseOwners! Its a nice place here, hope you stick around.

Banned at the DIS. Oh the nerve! Am I surprised? Not really, for all the same reasons already pointed out.

I did take a munte a read through some of your last posts. While I hate to guess what really goes on in their minds, they are looking very protective of whatever relationship they may have with DVC or Disney in that they will not tolerate, in any way, anyone who even begins to think about promoting some standardized rental rates. They refer th what you proposed as collusionary!?!

They must be nervous about something to be so abrupt in publically distancing themselves from you.

Steamboat Bill
10-03-2006, 09:04 PM
Steamboat, welcome to MouseOwners! Its a nice place here, hope you stick around.

Banned at the DIS. Oh the nerve! Am I surprised? Not really, for all the same reasons already pointed out.

I did take a munte a read through some of your last posts. While I hate to guess what really goes on in their minds, they are looking very protective of whatever relationship they may have with DVC or Disney in that they will not tolerate, in any way, anyone who even begins to think about promoting some standardized rental rates. They refer th what you proposed as collusionary!?!

They must be nervous about something to be so abrupt in publically distancing themselves from you.

DISboards must generate a TON of money by advertisers. And they are probably neverous about losing an advertiser with controversial posters.

The fuunny thing is that I sold two of my DVC contracts via The Timeshare Store because I found them thru DISboards.

Perhaps they want to have an IPO for millions of $$$ and want to have a squaky clean image....

johnb
10-04-2006, 12:34 AM
DISboards must generate a TON of money by advertisers. And they are probably neverous about losing an advertiser with controversial posters.



Yet they seem to tolerate downright argumentative, rude, unproductive posts. I don't get it. :confused:

DSNY FN
10-04-2006, 06:13 AM
Banned from the DIS who what me no way nev ok ya a few times I have been banned LOL.

Stimpy
10-04-2006, 01:57 PM
Well, since I'm such a good girl I've never been banned from anywhere :innocent: I just wanted to welcome you to MO and hope you enjoy your time here!

KNWVIKING
10-04-2006, 02:01 PM
Well, since I'm such a good girl I've never been banned from anywhere :innocent:

When my dentists asks, I'll tell him those marks are from biting my tongue.

Stimpy
10-04-2006, 02:20 PM
When my dentists asks, I'll tell him those marks are from biting my tongue.

:hahahaha: OK, the never been banned part is true though! :hahahaha:

Steamboat Bill
10-04-2006, 03:45 PM
When my dentists asks, I'll tell him those marks are from biting my tongue.

I think Webmaster Doc (DIS moderator) is a dentist...perhaps he could help...

KNWVIKING
10-04-2006, 03:49 PM
I think Webmaster Doc (DIS moderator) is a dentist...perhaps he could help...


Touche.

Steamboat Bill
10-04-2006, 05:20 PM
I wonder if there are any DIS LURKERS here...hello....

lllovell
10-04-2006, 05:23 PM
Yes. We had a few "founding members" that I believe were told they had to make a "choice" if they wanted to be more involved over in the DIS.

So, at least for a while when we first set up shop, we had lurkers.

Laura

TW1
10-04-2006, 06:10 PM
Lurking is assured.

bavaria
10-04-2006, 09:56 PM
sorry - dupe post again - my alter ego at work again!

bavaria
10-04-2006, 09:56 PM
PixyDust, we sometimes talk about socks and we sometimes talk about snot here, but we do it in a pleasant neighbourly way. (see the bedspread thread if you want to see some talk about snot and other icky gooey stuff! ;) )

I can't recall any sort of nastiness here in the past year. I'll admit that my personality 'over there' is less warm and fuzzy than over here. That's in part due to the fact that I only post on Transportation over there, which has NO pixie dust, but mainly due to the warm and fuzzy people over here who draw out that part of my character.

KNWVIKING
10-04-2006, 10:24 PM
I can't recall any sort of nastiness here in the past year.

Care to read a few of my PM's ?

PixyDust
10-05-2006, 01:53 AM
PixyDust, we sometimes talk about socks and we sometimes talk about snot here, but we do it in a pleasant neighbourly way. (see the bedspread thread if you want to see some talk about snot and other icky gooey stuff! ;) )

:hahahaha: I'll have to check out that thread! ...or maybe not:yuck:

tjkraz
10-12-2006, 02:05 AM
Bill,

Sorry to hear that you were banned. I saw just about everything that went down. It didn't surprise me that the first two posts were closed. IIRC, I think you worded the third one a little better--although I didn't necessarily agree with your position. ;) Still, I was surprised to see the thread deleted and even more surprised to hear that you were banned over it. Seems like the discussion went on for a few days without any mods objecting to the topic, and then suddenly it was gone.

I did just happen to see your brother's post before it was deleted, and it didn't surprise me that his post was removed. It was a bit to confrontational for the DIS. They seem to favor sweeping things under the rug whenever it's deemed necessary.

In all honesty, there's no real magic formula for dealing with public uprisings. If someone publicly disagrees with the way a site is being run / moderated, you run the risk of driving a wedge into the audience. Some people will side with one group while others will side with the other. Often times the cleanest way to resolve such a dispute is to just make it go away. That doesn't do much to appease the offending party, but it's still the most straightforward method of damage control.

When this site was first created, one of the goals was to make it an information repository for DVC members. Instead of having to sort through years of message board posts to find information like annual dues by resort or DVC price history, the idea was to put it in one place for all to see.

On a couple of occasions I posted links to this site on the DIS and promptly got my hand slapped. The only justification I was given was that links to other websites were not permitted. When I questioned why links to sites like Allearsnet.com or Mousesavers.com were posted dozens of times daily, the only reply I got was that if I disagreed I should take it up with Pete Warner. I had sent Pete PMs in the past and never even received a response, so that suggestion was meaningless.

I guess my point here is that one of the problems with the DIS is that you've got dozens of people with god-like powers and virtually no appeals process. Kinda hard to find yourself on the outside looking in, isn't it?

The only suggestion I could offer is that if you happen to know which mod banned you, perhaps you could contact another mod and see if he/she would be willing to intervene. Perhaps it was more of a misunderstanding and can still be resolved amicably.

I was never banned but stayed away from the DIS willingly for nearly a year. But the reality is that neither site is without its warts. I post here and on the DIS when the spirit moves me. Both sites do have their merits. Too bad they couldn't make nice--I still don't have a real good understanding of why this tiny little site is viewed as a threat. :idontgeti

Steamboat Bill
10-12-2006, 06:28 AM
I guess my point here is that one of the problems with the DIS is that you've got dozens of people with god-like powers and virtually no appeals process. Kinda hard to find yourself on the outside looking in, isn't it?

The only suggestion I could offer is that if you happen to know which mod banned you, perhaps you could contact another mod and see if he/she would be willing to intervene. Perhaps it was more of a misunderstanding and can still be resolved amicably.


Thanks for the support!

I will try contacting them next week. If I am not successful, I can always use another screenname from a different IP address.

Rash
10-13-2006, 06:05 PM
If you want you can use my screenname. I'm highly respected and well-liked over there.

PoohsPal
10-13-2006, 06:11 PM
If you want you can use my screenname. I'm highly respected and well-liked over there.
:lmbo:

Leftcoaster
10-13-2006, 06:40 PM
If you want you can use my screenname. I'm highly respected and well-liked over there.


That us absolutely correct. Rash would NEVER lead you down the wrong road. :worship:

athenna
10-13-2006, 11:26 PM
Lol, Rash:hahahaha:
(p.s. nice to see you:)

Colorado Belle
10-14-2006, 12:09 AM
aha...the lurking horse!

gcbsdad
10-16-2006, 02:07 PM
Was anyone banned for even mentioning putting 6 people in a 1 bedroom?

I saw where people just asked and were read the riot act.

We are a family of 6, my kids are 10, 8, 8 & 2, and I have had CM's tell me that I should look at a 1 bedroom.

tjkraz
10-16-2006, 04:44 PM
Was anyone banned for even mentioning putting 6 people in a 1 bedroom?


I don't think that will get you banned, but any occupancy threads over there are usually locked by a moderator and/or linked to a single enormous discussion thread discussing occupancy questions.

The reason for that is because any occupancy discussion quickly degrades into a heated debate over what different people believe to be right or wrong. In reality the rules are pretty straightforward.

The documents we sign as owners state an occupancy limit of 4 in a One Bedroom. However for about a year now DVC has permitted a total of 5 named guests in a One Bedroom. The will not let you list 6 people on the reservation. And regardless of how many people you have in the room, they will NOT provide any additional bedding, towels, rollaway beds, cots, etc. beyond what is standard in the room.

If you wish to take advantage of Extra Magic Hours at the theme parks, note that the perk is limited to those staying at Disney resorts. Every single member of your party is normally asked to present their room key as proof. Not sure about the mornings but I can tell you that for the nighttime EMH, they actually swipe every room key before issuing a wristband giving you access to EMH.

Personally, I think you'd be a lot more comfortable in a Two Bedroom as well. A one bedroom has only a single bathroom, which sounds like it could be a source of frustration with at least 5 of you trying to share.

gcbsdad
10-16-2006, 04:59 PM
I don't think that will get you banned, but any occupancy threads over there are usually locked by a moderator and/or linked to a single enormous discussion thread discussing occupancy questions.

The reason for that is because any occupancy discussion quickly degrades into a heated debate over what different people believe to be right or wrong. In reality the rules are pretty straightforward.

The documents we sign as owners state an occupancy limit of 4 in a One Bedroom. However for about a year now DVC has permitted a total of 5 named guests in a One Bedroom. The will not let you list 6 people on the reservation. And regardless of how many people you have in the room, they will NOT provide any additional bedding, towels, rollaway beds, cots, etc. beyond what is standard in the room.

If you wish to take advantage of Extra Magic Hours at the theme parks, note that the perk is limited to those staying at Disney resorts. Every single member of your party is normally asked to present their room key as proof. Not sure about the mornings but I can tell you that for the nighttime EMH, they actually swipe every room key before issuing a wristband giving you access to EMH.

Personally, I think you'd be a lot more comfortable in a Two Bedroom as well. A one bedroom has only a single bathroom, which sounds like it could be a source of frustration with at least 5 of you trying to share.

I am right there with you on the room. When we purchased in September 2005 our Guide mentioned that we could use a 1 bedroom for a few years since our kids were young, especially our youngest (2). With that in mind we purchased 160 points. But we planned on starting to use 2 bedrooms soon so we added on 50 points this past June. It seems to me that 2 bedrooms are harder to get so I was mostly concerned with if I could not get a 2 bedroom would you consider a 1 bedroom. And as I said I have had MS tell me that I could still get a 1 bedroom.

AFMom
10-16-2006, 05:07 PM
gcbsdad - you probably could - especially since one of your children is still 2 and wouldn't need a ticket to get into EMH anyway. They would give you the 5 room keys for everyone else, so you'd be good.
Once your little guy needs a park ticket (or room key) I think you may start to have problems. Getting them to allow 6 in the 1 bdrm would be an issue.

gcbsdad
10-16-2006, 05:16 PM
gcbsdad - you probably could - especially since one of your children is still 2 and wouldn't need a ticket to get into EMH anyway. They would give you the 5 room keys for everyone else, so you'd be good.
Once your little guy needs a park ticket (or room key) I think you may start to have problems. Getting them to allow 6 in the 1 bdrm would be an issue.

I understand completely. I hope that I am not upsetting anyone. That is not my intention. I understand the rules and only thought of it since my guide and MS mentioned it to me. I was just curious on the topic of being banned and the reaction I saw others get when asking about people per room.
I do admitt that I did allow my 19 yr old nephew to stay with us one night last year. He slept on the floor. It was a last minute thing after we had our reservations already.

PoohsPal
10-16-2006, 07:12 PM
gbcbsdad - Things generally tend to be a little more open-minded and less heated over here. CAn't say we won't recite the rules and send big hints ;), but in this case, I don't see where anyone should be offended. JMO. Like a breath of fresh air, isn't it? ;)

johnb
10-16-2006, 09:44 PM
The reason for that is because any occupancy discussion quickly degrades into a heated debate over what different people believe to be right or wrong. In reality the rules are pretty straightforward.



The collective moral superiority over there never ceases to amaze me...:tongue:

tkmjie
02-05-2007, 01:29 AM
Hi, all.

Glad to find a board not run by Nazi's. 6+ years of hassle-free posts and then I no longer was welcome!

Thank goodness I never sent in that sponsorship check! I wonder if it would have made a difference in my negotiations to have been a DIS sponsor?

Anyway...it's their loss. Long live MouseOwners!

jiggerj
02-05-2007, 02:07 AM
Welcome tkmjie!!! Great to see you here! I think you will find MouseOwners very friendly and comfortable place to be! :)

jaysue
02-05-2007, 02:24 AM
Hi, all.

Glad to find a board not run by Nazi's. 6+ years of hassle-free posts and then I no longer was welcome!

Thank goodness I never sent in that sponsorship check! I wonder if it would have made a difference in my negotiations to have been a DIS sponsor?

Anyway...it's their loss. Long live MouseOwners!

Welcome to mouseowners! :clappingh :woohoodan

Enjoy your stay

We used to post over at the DVC boards and others on the DIS - don't go there much now - just a flurry lately due to using the Disneyland boards and also by request of a couple of handles over there who (we did not know this) missed us

Things wax and wane - you will find us a pretty friendly bunch :wearenumb

Cheers
jaysue

Colorado Belle
02-05-2007, 03:52 AM
There seems to be a sort of pack mentality over there. Often the newbie is the one torn apart. While the rest of the Dis board didn't feel the same to me...it was the censorshp on the DVC boards that troubled me.

I have a friend who mostly lurks here; her feeling is to just 'do it' if it is something that say, a CM told you was ok...but don't publicly announce it Occassionally I park my car at places where I'm sure I'd get basted if I started a thread like 'parked and proud of it' I've taken her advice.

I think for the most part you will find that mouseowners is lower key, less rules, more respectful, more interested in learning new things. :D

nono
02-05-2007, 11:51 AM
I think for the most part you will find that mouseowners is lower key, less rules, more respectful, more interested in learning new things. :D

And tolerant of those of us who generally just want to have fun.

Mouseowners :wearenumb

greenban
02-05-2007, 12:16 PM
:violinist I'm about to be banned.:violinist A certain Power That Is over there has been after me for years.

What's funny is the hypocritical nature of said person. They snarkly attack my credability, cast apsersions (sp), and are just a nasty, dried up old poopie head.

When I reply in kind. No worse, Not first, my posts are deleted, and I get 'attacked' on other threads.

So, soon I will be banned.

Now to be fair, I can be annoying, childish, downright immature. But those endearing traits are not listed on the banning thread yet!

And in balance, I love froggies! :frog1:

-Tony

greenban
02-05-2007, 12:18 PM
:violinist I'm about to be banned.:violinist A certain Power That Is over there has been after me for years.

What's funny is the hypocritical nature of said person. They snarkly attack my credability, cast apsersions (sp), and are just a nasty, dried up old poopie head.

When I reply in kind. No worse, Not first, my posts are deleted, and I get 'attacked' on other threads.

So, soon I will be banned.

Now to be fair, I can be annoying, childish, downright immature. But those endearing traits are not listed on the banning thread yet!

And in balance, I love froggies! :frog1:

-Tony

SOMETHING IS WEIRD!

My siggie is missing and I can't edit my own posts.

Am I about to be banned hear to? :crymeariv

-Tony

carolina_yankee
02-05-2007, 01:28 PM
Hmm - I don't think it's our policy to take you apart piece by piece until you are totally gone.

Did you check your User Control Panel in case some of our behind the scenes upgrade tinkerings have changed your sig setting? I know Kim has been working on upgrades this weekend.

Dirk

nono
02-05-2007, 01:41 PM
Hmm - I don't think it's our policy to take you apart piece by piece until you are totally gone.



I call dibs on his legs.




I am French after all...


(Sorry for the thread drift. Hope I'll not get banned..:Paranoid: )

grumpy
02-05-2007, 02:04 PM
[QUOTE=greenbannedSo, soon I will be banned.

Now to be fair, I can be annoying, childish, downright immature. But those endearing traits are not listed on the banning thread yet!

And in balance, I love froggies! :frog1:

-Tony[/QUOTE]

Those are the traits that make me laugh when you post. :hahahaha: As far as you loving froggies ...so do I







Dipped in Chocolate:kickingco

TW1
02-05-2007, 02:26 PM
I'm afraid to, so my guide posts on the DIS for me.

You really need a new guide.

greenban
02-05-2007, 02:40 PM
Hmm - I don't think it's our policy to take you apart piece by piece until you are totally gone.

Did you check your User Control Panel in case some of our behind the scenes upgrade tinkerings have changed your sig setting? I know Kim has been working on upgrades this weekend.

Dirk

Dirk Help me!

Still no siggies, can't edit my own posts, and no siggie options uncer User CP. Not to mention that nono wants my LEGS!!!!!:faint:

Here is a screen capture of my User CP:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f312/snarfer1/MOUCP.jpg

Tell me what I did? I'm sorry!

Help!

-Tony

greenban
02-05-2007, 02:42 PM
Those are the traits that make me laugh when you post. :hahahaha: As far as you loving froggies ...so do I







Dipped in Chocolate:kickingco


AHHHHHHHHH! :boohoohoo :frog1: :thumbsway

AFMom
02-05-2007, 04:11 PM
No - can't ban Greenbanned! Don't see enough of you as it is!
Some of my favorite people are frogs.....

greenban
02-05-2007, 04:25 PM
Dirkster:

It seems my editing and siggie have been turned off.

Here is the latest screen capture. (That is mso fun, BTW)!

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f312/snarfer1/mosnoedit.jpg

Please give me my siggie back, I'll be good, well at least much better, I promise. I needed to edit to correct the AKV point charts I posted whjen the officials came out!

-Tony

greenban
02-05-2007, 05:04 PM
Hey all:

I did something more childish and stupid than is my norm. And also mean-spirted which is not my norm.

So my privs. were reduced.

I wish to publically apologize to our Webmistress Kim. It was not meant to be as nasty as it was, but that is no excuse, so I offer my unconditional (and uneditable) apology.

-Tony

doombuggy
02-05-2007, 09:17 PM
As far as being banned on the DIS I am not, but have had a friend get banned by DOC from the DVC forums. I saw the emails and let me tell you, I wanted to :computers .......
I only go over there to visit a couple of forums every once and awhile. I don't care for WDWMagic either, they are just as nasty....

It's nice here at Mouseowners....... :grouphug:

carolina_yankee
02-05-2007, 10:17 PM
I was away all day (cat to the Vet and shopping) so I've missed the fun. I think I want to be banned from the DIS - it would put me in the coolest club!!

Tony - at least give thanks you have legs someone else wants - dipped in chocolate or otherwise. ;) Glad we worked at least one conflict out today - and glad to have you back up to speed!

Dirk

dvcconvert
02-06-2007, 12:15 AM
Hi, all.

Glad to find a board not run by Nazi's. 6+ years of hassle-free posts and then I no longer was welcome!

Thank goodness I never sent in that sponsorship check! I wonder if it would have made a difference in my negotiations to have been a DIS sponsor?

Anyway...it's their loss. Long live MouseOwners!

wow -- 6 years no problems...then banned??? If you didn't post something waaaay out there....what happened!?!?!?!?!?

Colorado Belle
02-06-2007, 05:14 AM
Perhaps my earlier post that this site was friendlier was a bit hasty. WHile I was gone today, it seems that our administrator took exception to an acronym in my signature. THis acronym started with me and anyone who copied it or kinda copied it only had my interpretation, as the creator of said acronym, as to what it meant. But what the letters meant isn't as important as what the acronym stood for.

When we founded this board, we all felt a little paranoia that Doc was coming over and reading about what we posted. And while we had a little fun at his expense (and while I believe he certainly deserved it), we all agreed that we didnt' want this board to become an anti-DIS board or a board run like Doc ran his portion of the DIS board. I was most particularly opposed to and vocal about the censorship and name calling that seemed present here (tho probably not as much as over there). I was very sad that the founding member who had offered her services as administrator, decided to employ some of the same censorship tactics that we all so loathed over on the DVC part of the DIS board. It seemed that every attempt to openly and rationally discuss opposition to censorship tactics was shut down. Many people , many founding board members and moderators were upset. As someone mentioned on another thread, moderators were silenced and then replaced. I found it very sad. I hated to think that a board that I had helped get off the ground(very little help as I am computer illiterate) was becoming all too similar to the board that many of us had left and/or found wanting. At that point I wondered if we had simply exchanged one Doc for another. And thus my acronym in my siggie was born. KIDD was my way of stating my concerns re the direction the board was taking. When I tried to respectfully and privately state my concerns, I was ridiculed . My input was ignored. And so I did what people who have lost their right to question everywhere do...I went underground and posted a small acronym in my siggie as a silent protest against censorship as board policy.

It's been there so long, that I actually forgot about it until someone asked me what it meant. And I told him. I really don't see the point in making any apologies for having used it in my siggie...when people's right to express themselves is cut off, a silent form of protest is a traditional practice. I do apologize if my acronym hurt anyone or embarrassed anyone...but I don't think it did. It seemed that Kim thought it was funny.since she posted a retalitory acronym in her own signature. I confess that I didn't see it or 'get it' and now that it's gone I won't know what it meant unless Kim wants to divulge it. So no, her posting didn't 'hurt' me.

I think if Kim were hurt or upset by my acronym that instead of adding a couple of her own to her signature and retaliating by using her admin powers, that it would have been more mature and admin-like to privately or publicly confront me. While Laura said she wasn't sure if she would have told you or not what it meant, I know that I would have told you and I would have told you WHY I felt it necessary to silently protest against some of your censoring ideas.

***I'm posting here because since the other thread was closed before I got home tonight and had a chance to read it or post to it. I really don't know where this thread belongs, but it seems that since I coined the acronym, that I certainly should explain why I did so. I certainly never intended for Kim to find out what the acronym stood for, so I don't feel that I should be accused of trying to hurt or malign her. I guess whoever told Kim about the acronym could be accused of trying to hurt her though. ( or perhaps their only intent was to 'get back' at me for some perceived wrong.) I also believe that my acronym wasn't rude or inflammatory. KIDD doesn't have any naughty words in it, nor does it cause any disruption in daily converstations. I guess there are some Doc admirors who would actually find it a compliment!

WHile I don't really care if I get a siggie line back or not so it isn't quite the punishment for me that it might be for Tony, I do apologize IF my use of KIDD hurt you in any way Kim. I think tht the use of an acronym was actually to prevent your being hurt. I hazard the thought that had I posted that 'Kim is acting a lot like Doc with regard to censorship' that although THAT might have hurt you, on a normal discussion board it wouldn't have been subject to deletion or censorship.

If this thread was posted in the wrong place, I have no objection to it being moved...I just couldn't seem to find a heading of where to post it that fit. SInce this thread became Tony's forum to ask for his siggie back, I figured this place was as good as any.

dvcconvert
02-07-2007, 01:04 AM
I know nothing of this issue - but skiming CB's post reminds me of this:

"Can't we all just get along?"

http://www.downwindproductions.com/mamo.jpg

kathyseb
02-08-2007, 12:03 AM
Life has enough wrenches that it throws in the road.

I for one come here to escape real life problems and to learn something about my favorite place on earth and make a few friends along the way.

This WAS my Happy Place.

Not sure I can say that anymore.


Remember, it was all started by a Mig. Whatever happened to that sense of community?

administrator
02-08-2007, 02:26 AM
As was noted in a similar thread (http://www.mouseowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6751), there really isn't much more to about this topic, so this thread will be closed.