Contemporary DVC almost announced?

[carolina_yankee]

It seems that the one trade per year policy might quickly fade into the dustbin of old hot news.

TouringPlans.com (http://www.touringplans.com/tp2/UG2_index.php?PageID=44) is reporting:

Contemporary DVC coming - North garden Wing closes Oct 1st

The new DVC at the Contemporary Resort is all but a press release away at this point as the CM's at the hotel have been informed of the project. The North Garden Wing will close to the public on October 1st. A new DVC resort will be built in its place, the details of the exact design are still fuzzy and/or up in the air though.

One possibility mentioned to the CMs was a new 15 story C-shaped building with a central waterpark/pool area like the Yacht/Beach Clubs and a walkway on the 4th floor leading to the current concourse. This would explain the markings on the ground outside the current tower suggesting some sort of northward support system expansion.

They're the folk behind the Unofficial Guide and are closely associated with Mosueplanet, so their rumors and news is generally good.

Exciting days ahead for DVC . . .

Dirk

edited to correct my abysmal use of "their" and "they're"

[greenban]

It seems that the one trade per year policy might quickly fade into the dustbin of old hot news.

TouringPlans.com (http://www.touringplans.com/tp2/UG2_index.php?PageID=44) is reporting:



They're the folk behind the Unofficial Guide and are closely associated with Mosueplanet, so their rumors and news is generally good.

Exciting days ahead for DVC . . .

Dirk

edited to correct my abysmal use of "their" and "they're"

This is what us conspiracy theorists have been hinting at. If true, commercial renters could have booked the entire first 11 months up by transferring points that loose their home resort status. Before the first CRV point was ever sold!

I'm hoping this is the reason, not VAKL (rhymes with Jackel, BTW).

But, I'm not sure of anything yet........

-Tony

[KNWVIKING]

20 bucks says this is the end of pool hopping to CR and will not be allowed to VCR (?).

You're right Tony. That noise you heard was the other shoe dropping.

[ErinC]

I was not really excited about this rumor at all when it first started, but the closer we get to the supposed "fall" announcement, I'm really hoping for a Contemporary announcement. I guess I've really warmed up to the idea. I don't think I would buy points there, but I'd like to stay there! I think "some" of the views would be awesome!

OT- love the new pic Tony!

[carolina_yankee]

I'd consider buying points there if I could buy an add-on for enough for 2-3 nights. It would be fun to have monorail access and be that close to the MK. However, I think I'd wait for the design to come out to see if it's really worth it. Even though CR was the first resort I ever stayed at, I've always hated it. It's hard and hot. I don't think I would ever be tempted to pool hop there!

VAKL would be more my style! Or Villas Polynesian Reort. (If VAKL rhymes with jackal, can we call V-PR "Viper?")

Dirk

[jdvm]

Tony,
Is that you with the gun or is the person with gun aiming at you?
John

[DSNY FN]

Not my cup of tea we may stay there once just to try it but we would not purchase points there.

[tjkraz]

If the time were right for an add-on, I'd have to take a look at all of the factors and make a decision.

I think SSR is going to have the lowest dues for a long time to come, and that's a big consideration for me. It doesn't have any ridiculously expensive amenities to maintain (SAB, monorail, etc.), plus with the "Phase 3" expansion, you've got 50% more owners sharing in many of the common area expenses (front desk, bell services, busses) than was originally intended. In particular transportation is a big expense and I don't think they would need to spend one additional penny with the 50% growth in the resort. You can service 800 rooms just as effectively as 550 rooms without increasing bus frequency.

Anyway, the CR isn't a big draw to me. If we were in the market for some points, Disney really "wowed" me with the design, and all of the numbers add-up favorably, it might tip the scales in that direction.

But if DVC discounted SSR points and both contracts ended in 2054, I'd just get more at SSR and be just fine with that decision.

[Stimpy]

Damn....gotta start saving those pennies again! :scratchch

[KNWVIKING]

Actually Tim, I'd bet VCR will have the lowest dues.

Landwise, a minimal amount to landscape and maintain.

Virtually no roads to maintain.

Monorail is still the cheapest mode of transport and it has the two most popular parks covered.

One 15 story structure has one roof and an almost maintnance free exterior.

Building will be minimal footprint, maximum density occupancy.

The only fly in my ointment would be the themed pool. If they do go for an SAB type pool, that will increase pool dues over what the other DVC resorts pay. But I assume CR guests will have access to pool so CR's monitary contribution will help to offset the expense.

I also believe the opening price for VCR will be $120.00.

[Colorado Belle]

I'm with THE Viking on this one.....$120 sounds about right with perhaps some 'discount' to current owners.

I also agree re the fees...not that they will be less than others, but that the costs will be less. The monorail cost might not even be included because there won't actually be a stop on the rail for the Villas. If it is included, the cost will be a % of the Contempts current 'costing' if that is apportioned. Since the 'rail also services TTC, it would be hard to justify UNLESS the Contemp already has a 'portion' of fees paid for just it.

But of course, they will do whatever they want to do.

altho I have never been a big fan of CR, I think villas there would be stunning....on the water, views of MK, near the monorail. I'm not saying I'd buy there, but I'd sure try to get in on the 7 month window!!!!

[tiggerguy2000]

I would like to see nothing better in November then the construction going on with a new DVC resort.I stayed in the last room next to tennis courts back in 2000 and will never stay again.I will buy points when available just for the fact of having the first Monorail DVC and the 11 month window that has become more valuble with the members list growing at over 70,000 now.

Our favorite is the Wildernesss lodge villas

tiggerguy

[tjkraz]

Actually Tim, I'd bet VCR will have the lowest dues.

Landwise, a minimal amount to landscape and maintain.

Virtually no roads to maintain.

Monorail is still the cheapest mode of transport and it has the two most popular parks covered.

One 15 story structure has one roof and an almost maintnance free exterior.

Building will be minimal footprint, maximum density occupancy.



Couldn't you make a lot of the same claims about VWL and BCV, though? Their take-a-nap-between-stops boat service can't cost any more than the monorail in terms of both operating costs and maintenance. Since the Epcot monorail would be the only way to get to that park, the CR would have to share in the maint and ops cost for that entire 5? mile track.

You do make a good point though. I suspect the determining factor might be the final size of the resort. Even the report at TouringPlans was pretty wishy-washy about the exact design. Sounds like it could be 300 rooms or it could be 1000.

I just wonder if 15 stories is practical in that location. There are an awful lot of backstage areas on that side of the resort. The CR tower has a different angle on the park, which I'm guessing permits things like CM parking and the monorail service center to remain hidden. But from the site of the North Garden Wing, I wonder if they can building something above the tree line provides a prime view of the MK without all of that backstage clutter being clearly evident.

I'll give you one thing--the CR will certainly have the lowest LANDSCAPING budget of all the resorts. :yuck:

I guess we'll know the answers to these and many other questions...sometime within the next 2-3 years. :D

[KNWVIKING]

I was also trying to picture what theviews would be from the 15th floor.

Boat transport isn't that cheap, but honestly don't know how it compares with Monorail.

Part of the dues problem with BCV and VWL is their small size and lack of any revenue centers.

[ghost1000]

Go here:

Gwathmey Siegel & Associates (http://www.gwathmey-siegel.com)

Click on "New Projects"
Scroll about halfway down

[Stimpy]

Wow! Very interesting indeed!! :scratchch

Definately starting to save some pennies now! (And maybe a few nickels and dimes too :innocent: )

[idratherbeinwdw]

Go here:

Gwathmey Siegel & Associates (http://www.gwathmey-siegel.com)

Click on "New Projects"
Scroll about halfway down

WOW Ghost!!!! What a find!! :worship: :bowdown: :thumbsup:

[tjkraz]

Interesting!

Let's try this:

http://www.gwathmey-siegel.com/news/images/0517_r16.jpg

http://www.gwathmey-siegel.com/news/images/0517_r18.jpg

[tjkraz]

Comments: Not sure what I think about that walkway. And, I wonder what views are available--are all of the balconies facing the inside courtyard or are there some on the outside, too.

Probably my biggest disappointment is what it will do to the skyline out there. It just feels blasphemous in a way to put that thing next to the CR tower, which is such an icon.

Well, for years I've been saying that the best thing DVC could do would be a huge "destination" resort. Looks like it's coming. That's gonna help availability across the board, and I certainly don't feel any great need to buy there to get in at 7 months.

[idratherbeinwdw]

Good idea Tim! What the heck, you've inspired me--Might as well add the caption that's on the website under the drawing while we're at it! :beaniepro :sunny:

Contemporary Disney Vacation Club
Resort Timeshare Condominiums
Lake Buena Vista, FL
Status: In design
Completion Date: 2008

[jdvm]

Don't want to turn this into an architectural debate but I think the proposal adds rather than detracts from the Contemporary--sort of pulls it into the present and is substantially more attractive than tose awful Garden Wings--ugh.
John

[winniedapooh]

:wizard: I am sending massive amounts of pixie dust up that this one is true! I love th CR!

[ghost1000]

My guess is that park view (if there is such a thing) will require more points than "standard" or pool view.

This concept shows a huge resort. In fact, it looks like it has more DVC rooms than Contemporary tower rooms. I admit I'm a little concerned about the skyline too. I love the look of the Contemporary tower just sort of standing there by itself.

I wonder how Disney will react if they find out their architect has spilled the beans.

[Colorado Belle]

Maybe they'll get fired!

I like curves, but I do NOT like this design which compromises views from ALL the rooms....WHY? The pool looks dull . I wonder if it is a moving walkway, which is what I predicted long ago when we had the big Contemp debate over on the dis.
I fancy moving walkways....or TTA cars, even better.

I somehow always felt that DVC's (unless they were stand alone) 'fit' better when they were smaller than the adjoining hotel. Seemed to make them more 'special'.
So here's what I think...it is stuck on a peninsula so why not follow the curves of the peninsula giving all the rooms on that side a water view. In other words, gentle the curve and do it in reverse. Perhaps the interior rooms will have views of MK...and perhaps they will instead see a good bit of the staging area, but the view could be focused downward on the pool complex in the lower floors. And the upper floors would still get some view of the castle, wouldn't they. THis way would seem to maximize 'views' of all the units. And of course I think there should be a pool/jacuzzi/bar and restaurant on the top deck.

OK...pay me 5 mil for my design work and I am outta here.:hahahaha:

Lets all write to Disney Headquarters and tell them we think the design sucks!

[KNWVIKING]

AIA-NY - Distinguished Architecture Award
Walt Disney World
Contemporary Resort Convention Center
Orlando, FL

Looks like they have a little history with Disney & CR.

[KNWVIKING]

I don't know Belle. It's hard to judge the pool from the availble drawing. Rumor is talking about SAB possibility.

The entire concept of CR is "Contemporary", even futuristic. The proposed DVC unit fits that concept about 1000 times more than the wings.

View wise, it appears VCR will block the northeastern views of the Towers east side room. However, what was there before was mostly the roofs of the North wing.

I'm REALLY interested to know if a studio unit will be offered.

[ErinC]

Wow! I'm totally shocked that someone could find this on the internet! I just showed DH the picture and he immediately said "cool", but don't think that we are buying any more points right now!!:hahahaha:

[DSNY FN]

Um how can I say this without sounding negative ok here goes it just looks wrong in that location and in that size and scope. I think it will detract to much from a wonderful Disney hotel ICON as you will. I mean the Contemporary was what the first or second Disney hotel on site and has stood for a very long time all alone I think somethign that large and grandure in scale will taka away from what teh Contemporary means to so many people.

[ErinC]

I don't know Belle. It's hard to judge the pool from the availble drawing. Rumor is talking about SAB possibility.

The entire concept of CR is "Contemporary", even futuristic. The proposed DVC unit fits that concept about 1000 times more than the wings.

View wise, it appears VCR will block the northeastern views of the Towers east side room. However, what was there before was mostly the roofs of the North wing.

I'm REALLY interested to know if a studio unit will be offered.

Just curious Viking, why would you think they wouldn't offer studios? (Am I missing something)

Another SAB, are you talking about a mini waterpark type pool, or another sand bottom pool? I've always heard that Disney would never build another sand type pool because it's a constant struggle to keep it working correctly. Doesn't SAB require about 3 times as many life guards as the "regular" pools?

[KNWVIKING]

If I'm not mistaken, Marriot destination resorts do not offer studios. My gut tells me short term "shareholder value" may dictate the sale of DVC.

[ghost1000]

The current rumor (see the first post on this thead) is:

One possibility mentioned to the CMs was a new 15 story C-shaped building with a central waterpark/pool area like the Yacht/Beach Clubs and a walkway on the 4th floor leading to the current concourse.

Given the problems you mentioned, don't think it will be sand bottomed. But the new structure is definitely C-shaped as reported. So maybe a waterpark/pool is in the works.

[Colorado Belle]

I'll say once again that I love curves in buildings...but the ICON building is a triangle shape and it looks awkward alongside a curve, especially a half circle curve. (That's my opinion and I'se sticking to it!:jumpingbe )

But, if they are going to use a curve, then following the 'coast line' and maybe reverse curving back into the 'walkway' thus shortening the walkway and getting more rooms for the dollar makes the most sense to me. The views from the ICON would be less blocked by a hair. To 'segway' from the triangular shape to the curve might somehow be done with the rooms immediately connecting to the walkway. But as it is, it just feels WRONG.

RE studios: since they sell points and not units, I thought they would base the different sizes on past rentals as to size and costs per sq ft. I would think that the studios are the least expensive cost per sq ft because of the minimal kitchen expenses. I think Tim might be able to give us a breakdown of total studios compared to 1 bds. I thought I read somewhere that the studios rent the fastest and for a slightly higher price when you figure points per sq ft of space. BUt of course, maid maintenance is probably higher (tho that cost is borne by our member fees). If I could rent 30 studios at 15 points versus 15 1 bds at 27 points, I come out ahead with the studios. Of course Disney puts a 1 bd and a studio together to make a 2 bd , right? Lord knows how they figured it out, but they did, and so whatever is the most cost effective is what we'll get.

BTW ghost...you are to be congratulated for finding this !!!!!!! It's fun to be 'in the know' before the Mouse tells us what up, isn't it????:D

[ghost1000]

I'll say once again that I love curves in buildings...but the ICON building is a triangle shape and it looks awkward alongside a curve, especially a half circle curve. (That's my opinion and I'se sticking to it!:jumpingbe )

If you think about it...

The Contemporary Resort is an "A" Frame
The new alleged DVC is "C" shaped

They're making alphabet soup.

To be honest, I didn't find it. It was on the "other" message board.

[AFMom]

I like the design - and if you look at the very top of the building - you'll see they tried to echo the A-Frame of the current hotel in the roof structure. The walkway to the monorail is curvy - like the monorail, and I'll be the courtyard in the C-Structure will be landscaped beautifully - the views looking out to the courtyard and pool will be nice.
It will certainly change the skyline - but I don't think the impact will be bad - just different.
I doubt we'll buy points there, I'm not a fan of the theme, but I'm sure we'd try it - and there will be PLENTY of people ready to snap up the points - I'll wager it sells out in half the time SSR does.

[carolina_yankee]

Thanks Rita for finding the design, and Tim for the JPEG. We scooped WDWMagic on that one, and that's hard to do!!

I think the new profile will take some getting used to, but it should blend in. Given the angle of the current CR, I'm not certain you'll be able to see the DVC from the front side except from certain areas of the Seven Seas Lagoon and closer in to the MK. However, it will be very visible from Bay Lake.

That said, I've always thought the Convention Center really took away from the resort. The biggest problem I'll have the design (which I really do like) is that it will destroy the symmetry of the two wings from the air and from Bay Lake. The whole resort was based on balance, which was already destroyed with the Convention Center and will now only be a fleeting memory with the DVC add-on.

On anothe vein, I'm curious about Viking's comments that DVC might be sold to Marriott, as well as suggestions that the V-CR wouldn't have studios? I just don't understand where either idea is coming from. :veryconfu

There's no reason not to include studios, since every other resort has them.

As for sale of DVC, I can't imagine what the motive might be, or the fear. First, Disney couldn't possible sell DVC to an outside company without undercutting confidence in their dominant Florida initiative. Second, even if they did - the operations still have to be totally seamless or else DVC loses its value pretty quickly. The DVC resorts are too closely linked to their non-DVC partners. Guests must always have charging privileges, transportation access, the ability to use points for other Disney properties, cruises and vacations, and receive the same top Disney custiomer service. The compromised level of service you get from Swan and Dolphin as outside entities with some (but not all) Disney perks simply wouldn't be tolerated by the DVC membership base.

If an outside company has to go through all that trouble to update their operations to meet Disney's standards, why bother. Besides, can you imagine the publicity nightmare of "Well, we call it DVC, but it's owned and run by Marriott."

I'm amazed by the huge jumps that are made. "new DVC coming - must be selling soon." "Matt Ouimet leaves Disneyland for Starwood - they must be about to buy DVC."

Geesh, lets get this one exciting rumor nailed down completely before we start chasing others down!!! :headbrick

Dirk

[PixyDust]

I wouldn't think Disney would want to let go of the property all of the DVC resorts occupy. Bonnet Creek is bad enough.

I am happy to finally see a VCR drawing. The suspense was killing me. We have enough points, so I don't see us buying there, but an occasional stay...maybe so...

[Deep-Thots]

If I'm not mistaken, Marriot destination resorts do not offer studios.

Actually, some do. The new Lahainas Villas (next to Marriott Maui Ocean Club) is offering studios. But they're more like hotel rooms, IMO.

[Blue&Gold]

Disney will not be tickled with the web designer at the Architect Firm, that's for sure...

However, I doubt they'll be "let go.":) Reading the Firm's site, that's a high-speed, low drag outfit that does some serious work.

Interesting tie-in that they were the designers of the Contemp's Convention Center... A DVC resort at the Contemp may help pump life into the Convention Center as well as the resort in general. A broad section of the business/convention travel market in Orlando are businessmen/women who use the convention as cover to bring the family to see the Mouse. If Disney maintains a healthy Developer inventory to feed those reservations... The CR complex will return a mint to Disney Parks & Resorts.

A few weeks back Tim and I traded thoughts that Disney "needed" a response to Bonnett Creek (the complex as a whole and the timeshare portion specifically), and this would be a resouding "you can build close to Disney, but you can't build Disney.":kickingco

We will add on if this is announced. We have a daughter on the way (due in November) and if the timeline is as mentioned, this resort will be ready in plenty of time for her first Princess breakfast... Here's to a few more years in the Magic Kingdom!

[KNWVIKING]

The possibility of Disney selling DVC off to a Marriot or other TS company is nothing new. It is no different than GM spinning off Delphi or GMAC. Companies like Disney will develope a brand and rake in the cash. As ROI starts to fade, you spin it off to someone else for a large payoff, and move onto the next project.

OKW made Disney a furtune - eight years ago. Now it just plugs along at probably single digit returns. Same can be said for every other sold out property. Think HHI and VB are cash cows ?

WDW is by far the #1 tourist destintion in the country. What do all other TS companies have in common ? They can't brag about having an on-property resort in their portfolio. Think that isn't worth about 500 million dollars ?

Now, what would Disney actually sell ? Land ? No way. Buildings ? Sure, let somebody else take care of them.

What would they get ? Rent. Fees for transportation. Steady flow of guests into their parks.

What happens in 2042 ? Cash flow out the wazzoo all over again.

They could also exclude SSR and VCR as they are properties in progress. They are still in the cash cow phase.

There is a huge upside to Disney spinning off DVC.

[Blue&Gold]

There is also downside to monkeying with brand-affiliation loyalty and the American consumer... "Marriott's Vacation Club at Disney" (or whatever) sounds a lot like New Coke to me.

[KNWVIKING]

There is also downside to monkeying with brand-affiliation loyalty and the American consumer... "Marriott's Vacation Club at Disney" (or whatever) sounds a lot like New Coke to me.

Absolutely agree. But I'm not a fund manager only interested in this or next years ROI.

[Plutofan2]

Someone posted this on another board. I do not know if it is accurate but it is interesting:

In essence, I found a building permit that was just issued a few weeks ago. In the permit, Disney Vacation Development, Inc. is requesting a construction company to remodel three existing areas on the 5th Floor of the Animal Kingdom Lodge to be used as "model rooms".

My logic: DVD, Inc. --> Model Rooms --> Next DVC Project

[Plutofan2]

Also someone on another board posted a link to a site that has a version of the design of the Contemporary DVC on their website under new projects "in design". Here is the link if you want to check out the design:

http://www.gwathmey-siegel.com/news/index.html

So who knows what will be next.

[Leftcoaster]

Found this on Mouseplanet in their WDW update....

http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=wd060807mg


Scroll about halfway down on this website to see plans for The Contemporary//

http://www.gwathmey-siegel.com/news/index.html

[Gaston]

Yep I just saw the link on a new thread on Mouseinfo.com

[Gaston]

I am not a fan of the design, looks too Las Vegas for my taste.

[cruise-o-matic]

Very interesting....we'll be at WL in both Sep and Oct and will have to see first hand if the wing will be closed.

If they do start offering points right away, I'd be curious as to the price...they don't want to lose SSR sales....but how long would it be until you could stay at CRV? Unlike SSR, this is one building, but I guess they could phase in some villas, while others are being finished.

My guess is that CRV will be higher priced, but discounted to about the SSR non-discounted price to get the pre-sale pump primed. So the marketing could be, you can have your SSR points NOW, or buy CRV points but not able to use them until 2008.

[dvcconvert]

Just an observation:

This october, DVC will celebrate it's 15th year --and 'preparations are underway' to celebrate that (although undefined, publicly) has been announced for several months.
:)

[Lisa]

Hummm..... I wanted to like (and buy) more points at CRV but I'm not a high rise girl. None for me.

PS - you west coast guys are up awfully early.

[nono]

Lisa,

Too funny! I like the Contemporary...didn't think I'd like CRV, so wasn't paying much attention to rumors. Clicked on the artist's rendering last night, showed it to my husband, and he says, "So, I guess we're going to figure out how to afford more points?" :laughing: I find it appealing, so it is possible we'll do an add on there...if I can find a way to fit it in the budget!

I think it is great that we have so many different options of styles...one is sure to suit everyone's taste! :sunny:

[ripleysmom]

I'm not a big fan of the design either. I think it doesn't blend too well and should.

I also wouldn't be surprised to find that per night point values will be higher than any of the other resorts.

[RweTHEREyet]

The design doesn't bother me. For me it is all about location. I would love walking to the monorail for either EPCOT or to do the resort loop for dinner or to the MK or the closeness of being able to walk to the MK. And also, walking home after a late night at MK and not waiting for a bus would be worth a lot to me, too.

I really think that "If you build it, they will come." is going to be true in this instance.

I would have to talk to the family, but I might sell my SSR to purchase at the CR. I keep trying to get them to tell me what is their least favorite of the locations we own, and I can't get an answer.

[barnum01]

Is it just me or do the drawings on the architect's website invoke stylings of the original EPCOT central hotel?

http://www.waltopia.com/gallery/recreation_deck.html

Just wondering...

[barnum01]

One last comment before I actually do some work today...when taking a close look at the side elevation of the walkway, it sure does resemble a WEDway, but that's probably just my boyhood dreams playing tricks with my eyes.

Have a great week folks. Hopefully some rumors will come true.

Dan

[Rozzie]

looks like they removed the plans from their site. Good thing I sneaked online last night after a long day.

:veryconfu

[RweTHEREyet]

The Contemporary was removed from the architects site just a few minutes ago. I checked it out this morning around 9:45 and now it is gone.

Anybody save the picture?

[barnum01]

I was just there and the pics are still up. Maybe I have an old link in my cache, but regardless I have the pics saved if anyone wants to have them. Email or PM and I'll send them to you (anything to procrastinate).

Dan

[barnum01]

Yep, sure enough...one little hit on the reload button and "poof," they're gone! Like I said, if anybody wants them, I will can email you them as attachments.

Dan

[ErinC]

I knew that was going to happen! I bookmarked the site, but I didn't save them!

[RweTHEREyet]

You can still see the pic in tjkraz's post, #18, I think it was.

[Deep-Thots]

You can find the drawings here:

http://www.mouseowners.com/CRV-Drawings.html

[ghost1000]

So what do you think? Does the removal of the pictures confirm it?

[RweTHEREyet]

I think that no matter if it is confirmed or not, somebody has their butt in a sling for releasing that drawing to their website. Could be the web designer, but chances are it goes higher up if no one told the the web designer it wasn't to be released yet.

[doombuggy]

I have forwarded this info to dad, along with a link to this site, to ask him about this. Dad is an architect in Phila, but does mainly hospitals and the like. He seemed to like the drawings (which did not surprise me) but did say that Disney should be upset if this was posted before an official announcement. I have asked him more questions and will post an answer when I get them.

Back to work for me........

[senecabeach]

WOW .......

Yep its gone !! Thanks Tjkraz for saving a copy:grouphug:

[PoohsPal]

I can't believe a firm that big would screw up that badly! Heck, 'round here I had to make sure I didn't spill the beans about a new coffe shop going up before it was time. Pun intended. :p Just a no brainer not to link any info related to DIsney.

Glad we got to see, though. ;)

(And, yes, the coffee shop is public knowledge now.)

[idratherbeinwdw]

Phenonmenal amount of guests today, most reading this thread. I think they wandered over from the DIS after someone mentioned our discussion.
:welcome:
WELCOME ALL!! Hope you decide to join us and stay awhile!!

[Simba's Mom]

I'd be curious as to what the # of points per nite are going to be for the different units/seasons. OKW is currently the least, then SSR, and the other 3-VWL, BWV, and BCV-are all the same. I wonder if these would be the same or even more. Anyone want to speculate?

[jiggerj]

I'd be curious as to what the # of points per nite are going to be for the different units/seasons. OKW is currently the least, then SSR, and the other 3-VWL, BWV, and BCV-are all the same. I wonder if these would be the same or even more. Anyone want to speculate?

I am curious too as to what the # of points per nite will be.... I think we all are!!!

Also curious what will happen to the resale mkt. for the existing resorts....I wonder if some members will be selling to add on at Contemporary???

[RweTHEREyet]

I'd be curious as to what the # of points per nite are going to be for the different units/seasons. OKW is currently the least, then SSR, and the other 3-VWL, BWV, and BCV-are all the same. I wonder if these would be the same or even more. Anyone want to speculate?

Everyone's explanation about higher points at VWL,BCV and BWV is that they are smaller resorts. This one at the Contemporary seems to be much bigger, but I am betting that location plays a big factor in the number of points.

I just hope this all turns out to be. Don't you know that Disney is just furious that any of this information was released. Seems that DVC is apparently NOT the best kept secret.

Last laugh could be on all of us, though, if it doesn't turn out to be true.

Jigger, I would consider selling my SSR to buy at the Contemporary. I don't really need any more points or another contract to pay maintenance fees on, but I would love to own at the Contemporary.

[Mike]

Phenonmenal amount of guests today, most reading this thread. I think they wandered over from the DIS after someone mentioned our discussion.
:welcome:
WELCOME ALL!! Hope you decide to join us and stay awhile!!


Sorry to say but a poster on DIS discovered the pictures and posted there first. The information then found its way over here. Have to give credit where credit is due .....

[idratherbeinwdw]

I just hope this all turns out to be. Don't you know that Disney is just furious that any of this information was released. Seems that DVC is apparently NOT the best kept secret.

VERY funny Rwe!!! :hahahaha: :lmbo: :ROTFL:

[idratherbeinwdw]

Sorry to say but a poster on DIS discovered the pictures and posted there first. The information then found its way over here. Have to give credit where credit is due .....

I apologize if you thought that is the message I was trying to get across. I thought Ghost1000 made it clear she got the information from the DIS. I did not intend to convey the idea that the discussion began on Mouseowners, only that folks had heard about us talking about it and wanted to see what was being said here on this site.

My intention was to say hi and be welcoming to the guests. It was great to see folks wander over here to see Mouseowners take on the Contemp DVC. I was not trying to steal anyone's thunder and I am sorry if it came off that way. Kudos to the person on the DIS who made the discovery.

[KNWVIKING]

Depending on how high the point chart will be, a 150 minimum buy in may not get you a seven nite stay in a studio.

[lenshanem]

Oh, cranky! How can I afford more points?!? :teacher:

I always said we would never buy at the Contemporary unless they updated that awful pool and now I read there might be a waterpark?!? Oh, snap!

[withdisneyspirit]

I apologize if you thought that is the message I was trying to get across. I thought Ghost1000 made it clear she got the information from the DIS. I did not intend to convey the idea that the discussion began on Mouseowners, only that folks had heard about us talking about it and wanted to see what was being said here on this site.

My intention was to say hi and be welcoming to the guests. It was great to see folks wander over here to see Mouseowners take on the Contemp DVC. I was not trying to steal anyone's thunder and I am sorry if it came off that way. Kudos to the person on the DIS who made the discovery.

Well, I sure understood exactly what you meant, Mar :goodvibes I read our thread through from the beginning so I saw Rita tell just where she received the info also:kickingco Kudos to those who saved a pic or else I would never have seen it!!!!!!!!!

[RweTHEREyet]

ditto spirit.


And definitely thanks for saving that picture. I have to say that the more I looke at the sketch, the more I like it.

I have already told hubby i would like to sell SSR to purchase the Contemporary if all of this comes to pass. He didn't have much response, so I took the silence as approval. :hahahaha: I know this is putting the cart before the horse here, guess I should wait for some sort of announcement and also talk to my Guide. :beaniepro

[Mike]

Hi Guys,
Sorry for not reading the full thread. I misinterpreted what was being said. My bad ......


:bagovermy

[withdisneyspirit]

Hi Guys,
Sorry for not reading the full thread. I misinterpreted what was being said. My bad ......


:bagovermy

Awww, its all right!!! But, you do look kinda cute with that bag over your head:hahahaha:

[idratherbeinwdw]

Hi Guys,
Sorry for not reading the full thread. I misinterpreted what was being said. My bad ......:bagovermy

Not a problem, that could happen to anyone. :howudoin:

[jdvm]

Mar,
Have only met you once but it's very easy to see that you don't have even the tiniest malicious bone in your body!! I'm sorry, but you're incapable of being anything but sweet and honest.
John

[KNWVIKING]

Oh yeah !!! Than why does she keep picking on me with Bouncy Smilies ?!?!?!?

[jdvm]

Even the sweetest people are allowed to pick on Vikings---it's called the Nordic Exception

[idratherbeinwdw]

Aww John, you are too kind! Takes one to know one I guess, because you are one of the nicest fellows I've ever met, and I know all the BW babes agree with me. :doublekis

As for you THE viking--well you're actually a charming fellow yourself, although you like to pretend otherwise. Another concensus of the BW babes!! :jumpingbe

[KNWVIKING]

Nordic Exception......... does that have one or two shots of Aquavit in it ?

[jdvm]

Two plus one of tequila but it seems that Mar has lifted the mask

[KNWVIKING]

Aww John, you are too kind! Takes one to know one I guess, because you are one of the nicest fellows I've ever met, and I know all the BW babes agree with me. :doublekis

As for you THE viking--well you're actually a charming fellow yourself, although you like to pretend otherwise. Another concensus of the BW babes!! :jumpingbe

Hey Hey Hey ...... no letting secrets outta da bag. I still Pilage and Plunder !!!!

[Euchre_U]

Mar is right. I'm a lurker on the "other board" (infrequent poster), but MouseOwners still have the pictures posted. I'd be interested to know what happened to the DIS thread (hmmmmmmm) about the CRV.

Here's the conjecture I posted yesterday doing some "back of the envelope" calculations. I used to work at an A&E firm in college doing construction estimates. This whole CRV thing has me intrigued . . . . .

I did some quick calculations, based on the room-type allocations from BCV. It appears to me that there will either be 13 or 14 stories of rooms. The ground floor and top floor are for guest services (ground) and mechanical (top/roof - HVAC, fire prevention, etc). It looks like there may be a restaurant, ala the California Grill, on the main building / top. There will probably be a quick service around the pool and another food court on the ground floor (a guess, based on recent other Disney projects). I'm assuming there will be two sides (or views) for the resort - a pool / lake view and a CR/MK view. That is to say there will be rooms on either side of an interior hallway going down the middle of each floor. The "bulges" in the two anterior wings I'm guessing will be the dedicated two bedrooms.

Here's the room breakdown I'm guessing -

90 Dedicated Studios,
180 Lockoff Studios,
180 One bedroom Lockoffs,
48 Dedicated one bedrooms,
193 Dedicated two bedrooms,

Total of 691 rooms. Again, it's based on the BCV breakdown of units because the BCV is shoe-horned into such a tight space just like the CRV's appear to be. The BCV has 282 rooms on five floors. I don't know how many rooms are in the Contemporary tower and South Garden wing, but this structure could easily equal those number of rooms. It appears there will be a dedicated pool for the CRV's.

We will just have to see 1.) if it is built, and 2.) how close my guestimates are . . .

*

[idratherbeinwdw]

Wow that's some bit of conjecture, I applaud you for being able to make any sort of educated guess Euchre_U. :bowdown: :clappingh Certainly will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Oh and :welcome: to mouseowners, hope you stick around, I think you have a lot of great knowledge to share.

[lenshanem]

Wow, so the DIS has removed the thread?!? :reporter:

[lenshanem]

DH said he'd want to add on at the Contemporary, I would like an AKL DVC. But if the Contemporary has a cool pool... I dunno!
Given Euchre_U's estimates on the number of rooms it shouldn't be so hard to get in right at the 7th month mark??? Maybe we should pass and be happy with our BCV and VWL. I can't wait to see if they come out with a deal like they did when SSR first was annouced...:hyper:

[carolina_yankee]

Shan - for use newbies - what was the SSR opening deal?

Dirk

[lenshanem]

Dirk, I'm sorry - I don't remember!

I just know they sent out info to members about a presale deal. I think it was something like you got to keep all your points and get a percentage off in addition to a lower price per point than what they opened sales with??? I'm sure someone will correct me! :D

[Frozenfingers]

Shan, I don't recall exactly what the "discount per point" was, but in addition to that it was 100 developer points and a pass on the first year maint fees/ taxes.

Fro

[KNWVIKING]

Shan, I don't recall exactly what the "discount per point" was, but in addition to that it was 100 developer points and a pass on the first year maint fees/ taxes.

Fro

Yo Fro.... where you been hiding.

[Frozenfingers]

Wisconson.... with my cheese hat.... :howudoin:

[idratherbeinwdw]

Wisconson.... with my cheese hat.... :howudoin:
Aha I was wondering who this was:

http://www.hodip.com/christmas2003/DSCF0191.jpg

[KNWVIKING]

Hey Jim, looks like it was a pretty bad winter up there.

[bgrego13]

I am very pleased that i have not bought into the other DVC resorts, as I have been itching to since i have raised the money.

I love the fact that the VCR will be a Hotel and not a resort ( i.e Spread out).

I love the location, but i must say i was dissapointed in the CR when i visited last year. Since then they have redone the rooms.

I love the resturants that will be available for the new DCR.

And the Monarail- dosent get better than that.


Count me in on this purchase! -

I wonder when they will start selling?

[doombuggy]

My dad must be out of the office, as I still have not heard back from him yet. I basically asked him if he had heard of this firm before (I had gotten the impression that he had) and if his company had competed against them in projects (my dad has had some projects in NY, along with various other states besides PA & NJ). I also commented that I thought it was stange that this firm would post concept drawings before a public announcement had been made. It's not like Disney is a little mom-and-pop company........

Ghost1000 has posted a thread on tellnotales.com's message board; I was over there doing my moderator thing yesterday when I saw the thread. I am ready to put myself into more debt for a 50 point add on! :D

[Lisa]

Well, I've been very interested in the next DVC. I'm not very big on the CR 'theme' but love the location. I've held off making a judgement until the details were out and... well ... my mama always told me if you didn't have something nice to say....

:grrrrr:

We won't be buying points.

[doombuggy]

Ok, dad responded to my e-mail this morning. I think he was in a rush, b/c he didn't say much.

As I mentioned, he works on mostly hospitals and wellness centers, but the company he works for has several offices around the country (and their parent co has offices around the world), including one here in Orlando. When I asked him if HLM (his firm) competes with Gwathmey, he said: Gwathmey is very good firm but we don’t compete in that area of business. Must have a relationship w/DVC. I guess that firm does more residential stuff and the like.
While he did not answer my specific question about posting the conceptual drawings on the "new projects" portion of their site before the project is announced being a no-no, he did say that Disney should be upset about the leak. Of course, this is under the assumption that the project is a go and just hasn't been announced yet. It could be that they are competing for this project (like the new World Trade Center, remember that?). HLM doesn't post new projects on their site - only current and completed stuff.

Just some thoughts...............:flowerfor

[KNWVIKING]

It's all a conspiracy.

DVC floats these rumors and than monitors all the various internet boards. When they see enough people say " I'M BUYING" they go ahead with a plan.

Remember Eagle Pines ? From what I recall it got a very luke warm response on the Dis.

[nono]

YES, I remember Eagle Pines. I'm still hoping it gets built at some point!!! :fingerscr

[lenshanem]

Please forgive me where credit is due, but I marked the link to another Contemporary find someone found -

Dated January 6, 2006 Smith Seckman Reid was awarded electrical and fire protection design services for Disney Vacation Club Contemporary.

Sounds like they have pretty much everything a go. Completion date of 2008?!? If that is so, they are ready to start building.

[tjkraz]

Shan - for use newbies - what was the SSR opening deal?


At the time SSR sales began in late 2003, DVC had a few points left at BWV (from the sales center refurb) and BCV which were going for $84 each. The only discount was the "Magical Beginnings" program in which you would recieve a reduction of $8-10 per point in return for surrendering your first year's points. These resorts had about 39 years remaining at that time.

SSR was initially offered at $79 per point. (The list price was actually $89, but they offered a flat discount of $10 with no surrendering of points necessary.)

The first Use Year offered was December, and the earliest buyers received that December UY with 2003 points included. Given the 2054 ending year, that effectively gave the earliest SSR owners fifty-ONE years' worth of points.

The only drawback was that members could not begin to use their points until SSR formally opened on May 17, 2004. A down-payment was required on the purchase, but if financed, interest accruals and monthly payments did not begin until June '04. Also, no dues payments were charged until June, and they were pro-rated for the remainder of 2004.

That's basically why we choose SSR over BCV or BWV: lower buy-in cost and 12 (or 13) additional years worth of ownership.

[idratherbeinwdw]

Please forgive me where credit is due, but I marked the link to another Contemporary find someone found -

Dated January 6, 2006 Smith Seckman Reid was awarded electrical and fire protection design services for Disney Vacation Club Contemporary.

Sounds like they have pretty much everything a go. Completion date of 2008?!? If that is so, they are ready to start building.

Great info Shan, thanks!!

I found this using the info you posted :
http://www.ecmweb.com/news/January_2006_Web_news_010106/index.html

Scrolll down to business briefs for January 6, 2006 and you will see this, exactly what shan already posted:

Nashville, Tenn.-based engineering design and facility consulting firm Smith Seckman Reid was recently awarded contracts on more than 140 projects. The awards include electrical and fire protection design services at the Disney Vacation Club Contemporary Resort in Orlando, Fla., the University of Tennessee’s Walter Life Science Systems Improvement in Knoxville, and the Tampa General Hospital expansion in Tampa, Fla.

[KNWVIKING]

There is no way possible it could be ready in 2008... even the end of '08.

[lllovell]

I would think it would be possible that the "contract" you are seeing rewarded there could have more to do with ongoing upkeep or renovations than a building permit situation. I saw it mentioned a few days back and if it was something DVC was concerned about, they would have had it yanked like the drawings of the Cont. plans as well.

Laura

[lenshanem]

I would think it would be possible that the "contract" you are seeing rewarded there could have more to do with ongoing upkeep or renovations than a building permit situation. I saw it mentioned a few days back and if it was something DVC was concerned about, they would have had it yanked like the drawings of the Cont. plans as well.

Laura


I dunno, looks pretty convincing to me. It says - Disney Vacation Club Contemporary. I thought 2008 seemed too soon, but if they have EVERYTHING ready to go... Even the infamous STOLport is to be handed over to Imagineering very soon. Could be a matter of everything is set and ready to put out and build. Course, I'm not a builder. :tongue:
They've obviously had the electrical contract handed out for some time now from the looks of it. :scratchch

[lllovell]

Might very well be Shan :) I hope so for everyone that seems so excited.

[RweTHEREyet]

Who can tell me what room I will have to request at the CRV in order to see Wishes from my room? :hahahaha:

[Robb]

This is what I got from MS:

Dear Robb,

We have not receive information regarding any new Disney Vacation Club Resort at Walt Disney World
for the upcoming future.

Please visit www.dvcmember.com for any future developments or announcements.

Have a Magical day!
Grace
------
Riiiiight

[doombuggy]

This is what I got from MS:

Dear Robb,

We have not receive information regarding any new Disney Vacation Club Resort at Walt Disney World
for the upcoming future.

Please visit www.dvcmember.com for any future developments or announcements.

Have a Magical day!
Grace
------
Riiiiight

No announcement has been made, so regardless of whether the DVC cast knows the answer or not, they aren't going to tell you or anyone else. In my position, I don't get info of that type of sensitive nature, but I know plenty of people who do, and they know not to speak about it. Some things are just not worth losing your job over.

:sunny:

[erikthewise]

Well, all very entertaining.
But I don't like the design at all.

The design firm clearly is used to doing tall buildings in tight spots, but that isn't at all necessary here. This isn't Manhattan or Waikiki. By fully using the North Wing footprint, you could build a resort the size of Boardwalk Villas at half the height or less than this design calls for. I think that would be much more desirable.

I hope this is in fact a "design contest also-ran".

Another aspect of this design that I don't think has been pointed out -- you can't put square rooms in a round building! If the building is going to be the shape in the pic, then the room configuration will be drastically different. For an example of rooms in round buildings, see hiltonwaikoloavillage.com. Look at the Ocean and Lagoon towers, then look at the room diagrams under Accommodations/Guestrooms. The rooms get larger as you go from one end to the other! Now imagine this expanded to a 2BR suite.

[dvcconvert]

and they know not to speak about it. Some things are just not worth losing your job over.

The mental image of an axe-wheeling Dopey does give one pause! :hahahaha:

:tonguetie = :angel:

[DSNY FN]

Hmm pie shaped rooms for everyone LOL. So would a studio be a single slice and a 1 bdrm be a slice and a half and so on LOL.

[tjkraz]

But I don't like the design at all.

I like the number of rooms (this sucker needs to be big), but don't care fo the design either.

Another aspect of this design that I don't think has been pointed out -- you can't put square rooms in a round building! If the building is going to be the shape in the pic, then the room configuration will be drastically different.

I think somewhere else here I was wondering aloud about the sightlines from a building like that. The CR tower is built perpendicular to "backstage" areas like CM parking and the monorail switching station, but the curvature of this design would seem to have many rooms pointing right in the direction of those undesirable areas.

That lead me to wondering if the balconies don't all face inward toward the courtyard. It's conceivable that the front face of the building is where all of the corridors lie, with the rooms leading backward into the structure.

The side elevation shows what COULD be balconies on the front, but it could also be exterior ornamentation on the side of the building. The image is littered with seemingly random yellow, green and red flecks. Are those intended to represent some particular aspect of a guest room on that side of the building, or just some abstract design affixed to the side of the structure? :headscrat

[Gaston]

I would think anyone on the inside of the curve would get a great view inside the other units. I don't think anyone would want to see me in the morning with my coffee
standing at the balcony before I have combed my hair..LOL.

[erikthewise]

Another "viewpoint on views": everyone is excited about the MK views, and that would be nice. But the Unofficial Guide describes the view of Bay Lake from the North Wing as "the best water view" in WDW. I hope that view is not lost in the design process.

[lenshanem]

Could someone tell me roughly what the number of rooms are for all the DVC resorts?

Would the Bay Lake view have a view of something other than the lake? Can you see anything else in the distance? Seems like Epcot is more straight back so that wouldn't be seen?

[idratherbeinwdw]

I would think anyone on the inside of the curve would get a great view inside the other units. I don't think anyone would want to see me in the morning with my coffee
standing at the balcony before I have combed my hair..LOL.

It all depends, what are you wearing? :tongue:

[bgrego13]

I am wondering if you guys prefer a resort that is spread out like saratoga springs, port orleans riverside, and old key west, or if you prefer a resort that is housed in only a few buildings like Wilderness lodge, animal kingdom, possibly the new contemproy DVC?

Just wondering what you all believe to be the better lay out, and why?

[tjkraz]

Could someone tell me roughly what the number of rooms are for all the DVC resorts?

Roughly:

SSR 824
OKW 550
BWV 400
BCV 210
VWL 140

(That's the lowest number for each, assuming that all lockoffs are reserved as a 2B, not a 1B + Studio)

Would the Bay Lake view have a view of something other than the lake? Can you see anything else in the distance? Seems like Epcot is more straight back so that wouldn't be seen?

We've gone boating out behind the CR, but I don't think there's much to see other than water and trees. Discovery Island is out there, but not much to see there. The parasailing "runway" is in the vicinity.

[dvcconvert]

Would the Bay Lake view have a view of something other than the lake? Can you see anything else in the distance? Seems like Epcot is more straight back so that wouldn't be seen?



If you look hard, due south, you can see the higher fireworks from illuminations - but not any impressive view of SSE or anything. From the bay lake side you do get beautiful sunrises, and the nightly showing of EWP (as well as the distance skyline of Orlando).

[tjkraz]

I am wondering if you guys prefer a resort that is spread out like saratoga springs, port orleans riverside, and old key west, or if you prefer a resort that is housed in only a few buildings like Wilderness lodge, animal kingdom, possibly the new contemproy DVC?

Just wondering what you all believe to be the better lay out, and why?

Both have their pros--I think a lot of it depends upon what sort of trip you have planned and/or personal preference.

Pros for "Hotel-Style" resort (BWV, BCV, VWL):
Smaller footprint; easier to get around the resort itself
Room service
Valet parking

Pros for "Condo-Style" resort (OKW, SSR):
Greater variety in room locations / views
Closer proximity to bus stops
Closer proximity to parking lot; easier to come-and-go by car
Typically less noise from outside the room (kids running / noise doesn't carry through the hallways)

Those are all generalities. In reality, there are rooms at the Beach Club that are very close to the parking lot, but many are much further. By comparison, at OKW and SSR, parking is just a few steps from your door no matter where you stay.

We've found it a lot easier to stay at OKW or SSR if we'll have a car and be driving a lot. I'm the type to leave and return to the resort 3 or 4 times per day, so it can be a real hassle to valet park the car or even use the self park lots at some resorts.

(Someone might want to break this topic out into a separate thread so it gets more attention)

[lenshanem]

Thanks Tim, I knew you'd have the numbers.

I have always said I wouldn't want the Contemporary unless they did something drastic with the pool. (My kids are like fish!) I wanted a DVC AKL.

Now that the rumor is getting serious talk, DH is now all about the Contemporary - mainly because it is walking distance to MK (where we spend most our time, even before kids) and the monorail access. I must admit I'm a little excited, too especially after seeing those words - water park. He is not so much about the AKL because it is not really near anything - kinda out there.

My thinking is if the Contemporary ends up being that huge it might not be so hard to get in if you plan to call right at that 7th month mark. I dunno, I could be wrong. As it is now, you can get into SSR and OKW with fairly short notice. Wow, looking at those numbers... VWL is awfully small compared to SSR!

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about more points, but I don't know if I'd want to finance points for the Contemporary. It will be interesting to see if they come out with any special presale offer like they did with SSR.

[carolina_yankee]

I am wondering if you guys prefer a resort that is spread out like saratoga springs, port orleans riverside, and old key west, or if you prefer a resort that is housed in only a few buildings like Wilderness lodge, animal kingdom, possibly the new contemproy DVC?

Just wondering what you all believe to be the better lay out, and why?
I like both for different reasons. The highrise resorts (of which CR and Swan and Dolphin are the only real examples) have fun views, the rest have great grounds. All in all, I like that AKL has everything under one roof - it just feels closed in becaues you can't get out and enjoy the ground due to the animals. Wilderness Lodge is probably the perfect layout for my enjoyment of grounds with nearby amenities, but AKL has my favorite theme.

Dirk

[Tricia1972]

I am on the phone trying to get to my guide right now (need to figure out how to do an add on :)). The receptionist (very nice lady) said that they all just got another email this morning about all of this being rumor, and there was nothing to base this on.

In our discussion I mentioned the architects renderings on the website. I mentioned that this architect has done quite a bit with Disney in the past and that is the reason that the internet is all a buzz about this. When she heard this information she seemed to believe me more than the email. :hahahaha:

However, I just showed the cached page to my brother who is an engineer. I asked him to clarify the in design with a completion date. He said that there are tons of projects that make it to this stage, but end up falling through. :worried:

Guess I'll just have to be patient until October

[PixyDust]

I would think anyone on the inside of the curve would get a great view inside the other units. I don't think anyone would want to see me in the morning with my coffee
standing at the balcony before I have combed my hair..LOL.

Each room will have to have the notice you get at AKL - people have a clear view of you from across the animal range, and many are using binoculars, so keep your drapes pulled!:magnify:

[lenshanem]

On the DIS rumor board there is a thread regarding construction going on at SSR's theatre right now. New resort model rooms...

[RweTHEREyet]

Here's what was said in the thread on the Rumors Board:

If I am not supposed to quote from another Board, somebody slap my wrist and delete it.

We went to WDW yesterday after dropping DS off at MCO. Went over to SSR. There was a cyclone fence around the theatre, {not the usual plywood walls, so you could see exactly what was going on} and construction vehicles out back. All of the seats were taken out of the theatre and lined up outside. We went into the sales center, and without actually saying where it was {read Contemporary DVC resort} I was told that they were going to use the building for "new resort" models. Stay tuned.........

[KNWVIKING]

Here's what was said in the thread on the Rumors Board:

If I am not supposed to quote from another Board, somebody slap my wrist and delete it.

Naw... I know what gets your wrist slapped..... and that ain't it. If ya want I can reword it for you ?

[RweTHEREyet]

And just wondering, has anyone talked to their Guide in the last couple of days. I am sure they would not confirm CRV, but wondering just what they did say.

[Blue&Gold]

It is entirely possible that DVD is getting ready to announce more than one new resort... California and the Contemporary are the leading candidates. They could also be getting ready to announce nothing!:confused:

[RweTHEREyet]

Naw... I know what gets your wrist slapped..... and that ain't it. If ya want I can reword it for you ?

I can get into enough trouble without your help, thank you very much.

[Lisa]

I'm still going with the trifecta of CR, AKL and DL (sprinkle some V's in there somewhere). But I'm a little :dancingba :crazy: :upsidedow

[Colorado Belle]

Well after the shuttle launch (as early as Aug 26) and before Sept 4 (when I check in at the Pop with my free dining buddy) I'll be solo, so I plan on spending a good part of my time sniffing around re this 'rumor'. It wil be fun to be:sherlock: and get the goods on somebody!

[carolina_yankee]

Here's what was said in the thread on the Rumors Board:

If I am not supposed to quote from another Board, somebody slap my wrist and delete it.
Now, what does that mean (the rumor of theatre being converted to DVC models)? SSR is losing the theatre building, or is this the building that had the hi-tech DVC presentation stuff?

Dirk

[tjkraz]

Now, what does that mean (the rumor of theatre being converted to DVC models)? SSR is losing the theatre building...

If the rumor is true, it sounds like it.

The theater was never technically "owned" by Saratoga Springs and our dues didn't pay any costs associated with it. It had always fallen under the umbrella of Disney's entertainment division.

For the first few months the resort was open, the weekly member meetings were held at the theater. They later moved to another location (performance center?)
Seems like it has seen very limited use since.

[Tricia1972]

And just wondering, has anyone talked to their Guide in the last couple of days. I am sure they would not confirm CRV, but wondering just what they did say.

I talked to my guide on Thursday, he did not confirm it. The only thing that he did say is that it is DVC's intention to grow and that would mean more DVC resorts wherever and whenever.

[David Welty]

I think that this new DVC property will not sell as well as all previous DVC properties. I think one big reason that people buy into DVC is the elaborate theaming that goes into each resort. I personally have never liked the contemporary, it is cold and un-inviting. Based on the conceptual drawings I have seen of the DVC property, it will have all the atmosphere of a state penitentiary.
Does anyone else feel the way I do?

[RweTHEREyet]

Not at all. You put it on the monorail and next to the Magic Kingdom and people will buy like crazy, IMHO. :yes:

Now, a lot will depend on price per point, too, and the point structure of the resort. But then, I never thought that once points went over $85.00 that they would sell much either, and that evidently hasn't turned out to be entirely true.

[idratherbeinwdw]

I think that this new DVC property will not sell as well as all previous DVC properties. I think one big reason that people buy into DVC is the elaborate theaming that goes into each resort. I personally have never liked the contemporary, it is cold and un-inviting. Based on the conceptual drawings I have seen of the DVC property, it will have all the atmosphere of a state penitentiary.
Does anyone else feel the way I do?

I agree with not liking the theming, but I am not sure if I would go so far as to say it looks as cold as a prison It is not my style though.

I think that you're right that theming matters to a lot of folks, as it does to me and to you. But, even if they don't like the theming (and some people love the contemporary), I think the resort will sell fast just based on location and monorail access alone.

[David Welty]

You are both right, it is a great physical location, on the Monorail, and Close to MK.
If they had said that it would be at the Poly, of GF, I would have said GREAT, both are well theamed and can claim the same geographic advantage.
I just feel as a DVC member, staying at the Resort itself is half the fun, not just the parks. I want a resort that is well theamed and unique, this seems to have none of that. I guess I will give them the benifit of the doubt, and wait and see.

[Robb]

You see, I am not a fan of SSR's theme - I really don't think there was much thought put into it, IMO. I don't think it has been selling well, but it is a much bigger resort than what I am used to seeing sell.

I see CRV looking more like a Miami Beach resort, and I think there are plenty of people on the east coast that like that type of set up. I think it will sell well, and if they are selling at Mousefest, I will probably buy.

To each his own.

[David Welty]

Yes, You are right. It does look like a Miami Beach condo building, or actually a highrise condo building in any big U.S. City. But what is unique and "Disney" about that? I agree that the Saratoga Springs theaming is a strech. However, it doesn't look like anything else I have seen, and it is beautiful to look at. The Contemporary DVC building might as well have a big lighted sign on the top saying: "Hilton" "Hyatt" or "Microsoft" for that matter it is just a plain Highrise building. I guess there are some people who will be into that.

[David Welty]

P.S. Anyone have a comment on how well SSR has been selling? I thought very well, but I could be wrong.

[lllovell]

I have seen it said around here that phase III is 70% or more sold out, so I would say VERY well.

[tjkraz]

You see, I am not a fan of SSR's theme - I really don't think there was much thought put into it, IMO.

I'm curious to hear more about the "don't think there was much thought put into it" comment. I can understand it not being your cup 'o tea, but isn't diversity a GOOD thing? I can't stand the Wilderness Lodge myself. :sick: After all, "you can please some of the people, some of the time..."

I've never been to the real Saratoga Springs myself, but based upon this article, it appears the designers have done a very good job of leveraging their source material:

http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=mg041029mg

I don't think it has been selling well, but it is a much bigger resort than what I am used to seeing sell.

Actually it's selling quite well. Recently a poster on the DIS message boards charged all of the DVC deed filings with Orange Country back to the year 2000. DVC contracts are selling at roughly DOUBLE the pace from late-2003 to present as they did from 2000 to mid-2003.

All of those figures would include resales at multiple properties, so it's pretty much a wash. It's undeniable that SSR contracts are the vast majority of those which have changed hands.

When SSR was first designed with 12 buildings, the plan was to be selling it for 8 years or more. Here we sit barely 3 years later and those first 12 buildings are nearly sold out.

I have seen it said around here that phase III is 70% or more sold out, so I would say VERY well.

I'd say that the entire resort is around 70% sold--not Phase 3. If they had begun to sell Phase 3 points, DVC would be back in "pre-sales mode". When they are selling units that are not yet part of the program, owners in those units cannot use their points until their building is open to guests.

DVC has overcome this hurdle in a number of different ways in the past. Some folks were prohibited from making any DVC stays until their unit had opened. Others were given a set of "Developer's Points" for use at any resort OTHER than SSR. These points also had some other limitations attached including the stipulation that they could not be banked.

I was speaking to a prospective member recently who was given information by her Guide which would indicate DVC is close to pre-sales on Phase 3, but not quite there yet. I suspect we'll see a slight change in sales incentives and terms when they are exclusively selling Phase 3.

[RweTHEREyet]

I can't stand the Wilderness Lodge myself. After all, "you can please some of the people, some of the time..."


Tim, I agree with you on that one. I love walking into the lobby of the Resort, itself, but I don't like the darkness of the Villas. Stayed there once, won't try to again as long as other things are available.

[bmalonef45]

Talking to my new DVC rep the other day and I asked her about all the rumors. She said she had heard them all and didn't know any more than me. But she did say that SSR was filling up quick and once that fills up they need something to sell or they would be out of a job. I believe she mentioned she thought SSR would sell out in a year or so. Not clear if shem meant this phase or what but the feel I took from the conversation is that something new must be around the corner but what she woulnd't give a hint towards.

I still think the 15 year anniversary makes a lot of sense as far as timing to drop big news. But what do I know?

[KNWVIKING]

Tim, I agree with you on that one. I love walking into the lobby of the Resort, itself, but I don't like the darkness of the Villas. Stayed there once, won't try to again as long as other things are available.

Turn the lights on.

[lenshanem]

Turn the lights on.


:ROTFL:


I have never been a fan of the Contemporary, either - but when DH heard the DVC Contemporary rumor his eyes lit up. Monorail, monorail, monorail baby! Funny, he bought me a monorail T-shirt off cafepress and it came in the mail today - PLEASE STAND CLEAR OF THE DOORS.

We do spend the majority of our time at MK so I do like how you can walk over.

But nothing will compare to my sweet VWL and my BCV's SAB. :burp:

[David Welty]

Tjkraz,

DVC is in presale mode again, Just bought 2 weeks ago SSR during a DLR visit, 350 Points. My use year won't begin until October 1, 2006 Got some incentives because of this. They offered me developer points to use now, or $10.00 per point price reduction, and 2 WDW annual passes. Took the price reduction deal. They said the unit I bought into will not actually open until November 1, 2006

[RweTHEREyet]

Turn the lights on.



:Pokepoke:

[carolina_yankee]

Tjkraz,

DVC is in presale mode again, Just bought 2 weeks ago SSR during a DLR visit, 350 Points. My use year won't begin until October 1, 2006 Got some incentives because of this. They offered me developer points to use now, or $10.00 per point price reduction, and 2 WDW annual passes. Took the price reduction deal. They said the unit I bought into will not actually open until November 1, 2006

If that's true - then this points to the need for more resort announcements soon. If CR-DVC is real, then I imagine they'll also need to announce something that can built and opened more quickly. (Like maybe AKL-DVC?!!!)

WDWToday podcast has Shontelle from DVC-by-resale on. Her rumor was that Disney has bought land on Daufuskie Island in SC, which is a slowly developing barrier island dream.

Dirk

[tjkraz]

DVC is in presale mode again, Just bought 2 weeks ago SSR during a DLR visit, 350 Points. My use year won't begin until October 1, 2006 Got some incentives because of this. They offered me developer points to use now, or $10.00 per point price reduction, and 2 WDW annual passes. Took the price reduction deal. They said the unit I bought into will not actually open until November 1, 2006

Thanks for the update. :) Had to happen eventually.

I think Laura's 70% figure may be right on the money--for the resort as a whole. Phases 1 and 2 represent 66% of the resort. Sounds like they've started selling Phase 3 in the last month or two, putting the entire development around 70% sold.

The probably does put AKL on the front burner. I've been hearing rumors that a large block of concierge level Deluxe rooms (the larger rooms) are being removed from inventory after the first of the year. Combined with the permits people uncovered, it's starting to look more and more like a stopgap DVC addition to fill a need while the suits make up their minds on something larger. SSR COULD be sold out before the end of 2007 and they'll be lucky to get that CR building up before the end of '08.

Besides, in the long run it may well be necessary to convert blocks of rooms at many Deluxe resorts to DVC. After all, DVC members aren't necessarily bringing new business into WDW--much of it is just being shifted from other resorts to DVCs (i.e. instead of paying cash to stay at POFQ or BWI, I'm using DVC points. All things being equal, cash occupancy would gradually decline as DVC continues to add new members.)

[idratherbeinwdw]

I'm curious to hear more about the "don't think there was much thought put into it" comment. I can understand it not being your cup 'o tea, but isn't diversity a GOOD thing? I can't stand the Wilderness Lodge myself. :sick:.

All Robb said was "I am not a fan of SSR's theme - I really don't think there was much thought put into it" He ended the post by saying, "to each his own". I think a gentle reminder that we don't allow resort bashing here may have been in order, but I didn't see his comments as particularly inflammatory. I guess you did see it that way, we are all protective of our home resorts. However it is unfair for you to say "I can't stand the wilderness lodge" and expect others to say "it's not my cup of tea" when it comes to SSR. Please, no resort bashing. Thanks.

[tjkraz]

I resent being bashed for allegedly bashing an accused basher. :Paranoid:

I could care less that Robb doesn't like SSR and used my dislike of VWL (a resort beloved by many) to illustrate. To each their own.

What confuses me is the statement "I really don't think there was much thought put into it." IMO, that says a whole lot more than "I don't like it"--but it does so in a rather cryptic manner. I was inviting Robb to clarify.

[KNWVIKING]

Kewl. All controversy has to have a Vikings input.

I don't pretend to know what Robb meant by his comment, but I've had similar thoughts.

With the other DVC resorts, if you didn't know the name of the resort, IMO you'd still understand the theme & basic location of the resort. I'm fairly certain a Viking walking around SSR wouldn't have a clue where he was. I just think Saratoga NY is just to obscure a location & theme.

So, IMO, I don't think theygave it much thought.

[Rozzie]

. I'm fairly certain a Viking walking around SSR wouldn't have a clue where he was. .


would it be perhaps the Viking was having one too many? :ale:

[KNWVIKING]

would it be perhaps the Viking was having one too many? :ale:

Vikings do like to walk after a high carb breakfast.

[idratherbeinwdw]

I resent being bashed for allegedly bashing an accused basher. :Paranoid:

I could care less that Robb doesn't like SSR and used my dislike of VWL (a resort beloved by many) to illustrate. To each their own.

What confuses me is the statement "I really don't think there was much thought put into it." IMO, that says a whole lot more than "I don't like it"--but it does so in a rather cryptic manner. I was inviting Robb to clarify.

The comment about SSR is against board policy. Let's please all play nice, no resort bashing.

Thanks.

[carolina_yankee]

As the founder of this delightfully meandering thread, I'd like to step in and remind everyone that the qualities of SSR and VWL have nothing to do with "Contemporary Resort DVC almost announced."

Any comparisons of other resorts should be done in a new thread under "Resorts" and with the recognition that honest exchanges of reasoned opinions are permitted, whereas bashing is not. (I think we've gotten close and dropping the issue and getting on back on topic is the best way forward. Take it to the PMs if you want to continue that line of thought.)

Now - how about those rumors if SSR is truly selling out?!!! Disneyland, Animal Kingdom Lodge, Contemporary, Daufuskie Island - these resorts could be sprouting up like mushrooms!!

Cheers,
Dirk

[KNWVIKING]

I love Mushrooms. What a great concept for a resort.

[jdvm]

Is it too late to say that I think the Saratoga Springs motif is a leftover from the old Disney Institute which was based on the old Chatauqua Lake, New York educational meetings held in New York? While they are not overly close to each other, Saratoga New York is located upstate as well. I just think they had a head start on the theming and decided to use what they could.
John

[KNWVIKING]

Sorry John, but yes, it's too late to mention that.

[Deep-Thots]

Is it too late to say that I think the Saratoga Springs motif is a leftover from the old Disney Institute which was based on the old Chatauqua Lake, New York educational meetings held in New York? While they are not overly close to each other, Saratoga New York is located upstate as well. I just think they had a head start on the theming and decided to use what they could.
John

Having lived quite near to and visited numerous times Chatauqua and Lake Chatauqua (lived in Buffalo for 7 years), I really don't see any commonality between SSR and Chatauqua. But maybe my imagination just isn't that expansive. :hammer:

ETA: Okay, we should probably go back on topic now!!

[Robb]

I'm sorry, the topic was again? :lmbo:

I was making a cup of tea.

[lenshanem]

WDWToday podcast has Shontelle from DVC-by-resale on. Her rumor was that Disney has bought land on Daufuskie Island in SC, which is a slowly developing barrier island dream.

Dirk


How close is this Island to Myrtle Beach? :scratchch

http://www.mouseowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4357

[RweTHEREyet]

it is closer to Hilton Head, I do believe.

Here ya go:

http://www.daufuskieislandrealestate.com/areainfo/maps.php

[Leftcoaster]

I love Mushrooms. What a great concept for a resort.


I hate mushrooms. Blech! I am still debating whether or not I would do an add on at The Contemporary. That would mean three contracts to juggle!

[David Welty]

Leftcoaster,

Nice to know that there are other SoCal members on this site. Must be nice to have 3 contracts, where are they? I am thinking of adding another contract, and am interested in some advice on which resorts I should look at.

[Leftcoaster]

Leftcoaster,

Nice to know that there are other SoCal members on this site. Must be nice to have 3 contracts, where are they? I am thinking of adding another contract, and am interested in some advice on which resorts I should look at.


I have two contracts right now. OKW and SSR. The talk of a thrid contract would be if I added on at The Contemporary. I really do enjoy both of those resorts. I could see myself adding on to either of those two resoirts. Depending on all the whosits and whatsits, I'd be tempted to add on at Contemporary, Animal Kingdom Lodge, Poly, and or Disneyland if any of those come to fruition.

[Blue&Gold]

I am interested in the Contemp moreso than any off-site or DL possibilities. But, the AK possibility has got me re-visiting my commitment to the Contemp!

So many rumors, so few announcements!

[PixyDust]

I hate mushrooms. Blech! I am still debating whether or not I would do an add on at The Contemporary. That would mean three contracts to juggle!

I have three contracts and its really no big deal at all. Especially now that everything is online.

[Blue&Gold]

Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but buried in MousePlanet's Monday WDW update discussion of the promotion of Jim Lewis to President of DVC was this blurb...

"Lewis' promotion is seen as the next step before a major expansion of the Disney Vacation Club, both at Walt Disney World and at new locations outside of Disney's current resort properties."

Bring it on...:kickingco

[withdisneyspirit]

I just love this thread!! It is all about possibilities and it so fun to dream about them :D I really want to hear about them from DVC too though:jumpingbe