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tjkraz
11-03-2005, 04:33 PM
Ah, yes. The age-old rumor. :)

Kevin Yee's most recent post at MiceAge.com has an interesting take on the situation.

http://www.miceage.com/kevinyee/ky110105a.htm

To summarize, Florida is building a new toll road that will run near WDW, and apparently Disney has committed to spending $50 MILLION (of their own money) to link to the toll road. According to Kevin, Disney will also donate part of their land (not to mention the land used to link to the toll road) to the project.

Kevin uses this as a platform for alleging that Disney's primary motivation may be the eventual construction of a new theme park right in the area of their link to the new toll road.

I've read this article three times now, and really wish I could buy into it. Unfortunately, I think Kevin's argument falls apart very early when he says:

"Why would Disney donate such valuable land? Why would they spend such large amounts of their own money to build a road connecting to the new highway? The answer provided by conventional wisdom seems a bit weak: namely, that Disney wants to "capture" anyone traveling on that road, offer them a direct way to enter the Disney property, and thus keep them away from the inevitable restaurants and hotels that promise to spring up in the surrounding territory. I can see such a motivation being reason enough to donate the land so that the 429 could be built. But to spend an additional $50 million building a link to it seems excessive. They won't really make their money back on that any time soon, will they?"

I think this is less about making money back and more about forced adaptation to the environment. Even if Disney didn't make their own investment in the 429 project, most Disney guests would find their way to WDW eventually. But doesn't Disney have a vested interest in making certain that its guests can arrive in the quickest, easiest manner possible?

Perhaps ONE of the justifications used for investing in this project is the eventual development of surrounding land, but I'm hard-pressed to think that the fifth theme park is way up at the top of that list.

mamaprincess
11-03-2005, 04:57 PM
The flimsiest of arguments will do for me. Keep those baseless rumors coming. :bluebloun

DSNY FN
11-03-2005, 05:08 PM
Anyone have any speculation on what the 5th park may be? Thoughts wishes etc are ok lets see what we all would like to see.

mamaprincess
11-03-2005, 05:21 PM
I don't have any Ideas on it yet perhaps a villain themed park with lots of thrill rides.
What I would like for them to do is to really do more with what they have because I love the themes of all of the parks. I particularly would like to see more rides at MGM and Ak. I'm always so excited when I hear of a new show or a new ride at one of the parks.

KNWVIKING
11-03-2005, 05:48 PM
I've read the article, interesting speculation on Yee's part. The timing & possible hype after the end of the 50th celebration is over makes sense.

I think at some point WDW will add a 5th park and it will probably be in the "yellow" area. I just don't think it will be till after 2010. However,there is nothing wrong with laying the groundwork for such a park much earlier, such as building roads and mapping out the location.

Besides, if we can take the Talking Heads at face value, they've already said no 5th park is in the works, they want to concentrate on upgrading their exist parks - which IMO would be a better use of capital.

cobbler
11-03-2005, 09:06 PM
You know a thrill ride park would be good. That way they can tap into that market that people go to Universal for. It also will keep them out of the other parks and quit making everything else more thrill ride-ish and alienate the younger crowd and the older crowd and the parents of the young who can't go on these rides.

And also keep the good classics like they are and maintain Walt's dream for a family park for young and old.

So a thrill ride park would fill both of these needs I think.

KNWVIKING
11-03-2005, 10:09 PM
I don't know that Disney needs to attract the thrill crowd.

Disney is about the whole family. I can understand Disney adding a few edgier rides to each park to satisfy a certain age group, but I can't see it justifying a couple billion on an entire park for thrill seekers. It's appeal would be too limiting.

Disney has been extremely successfull in allowing young families to grow up in their parks. They know that at a certain point kids are going to rebel, lose interest in Uncle Walt and the like. But they also know when Junior finally grows up, he'll be taking his kids back to Disney parks and boring his kids with tales of his youth.

It all comes full circle. Let IOA have their piece of the pie.

DSNY FN
11-04-2005, 12:16 AM
I don't know that Disney needs to attract the thrill crowd.

Disney is about the whole family. I can understand Disney adding a few edgier rides to each park to satisfy a certain age group, but I can't see it justifying a couple billion on an entire park for thrill seekers. It's appeal would be too limiting.

Disney has been extremely successfull in allowing young families to grow up in their parks. They know that at a certain point kids are going to rebel, lose interest in Uncle Walt and the like. But they also know when Junior finally grows up, he'll be taking his kids back to Disney parks and boring his kids with tales of his youth.

It all comes full circle. Let IOA have their piece of the pie.

I agree DW and I love thrill rides but if I want thrill rides I will make the much shorter 6 hour drive to Cedar Point. We have no desire to go to USO/IOA. I think it would be a good bet that it may end up not happening.

withdisneyspirit
11-06-2005, 08:21 PM
What about DisneySea? Wouldn't there be a market for this theme park? I would love to visit this park :goodvibes I do like it when they add something new to the existing theme parks! It is sad though, when they do away with old familiar rides :crymeariv

DSNY FN
11-06-2005, 10:07 PM
What about DisneySea? Wouldn't there be a market for this theme park? I would love to visit this park :goodvibes I do like it when they add something new to the existing theme parks! It is sad though, when they do away with old familiar rides :crymeariv


I agree my Dw loved Horizons I guess it didn't make much of an impression on me during our honeymoon trip in 98 as I don't even remember going on it or on our 96 trip LOL.

WDWSTAR
11-11-2005, 02:01 PM
it will be a Thrill ride park but not like six flags great america. This is one reason why wdw started adding thrill rides to epcot because the attendents was down compared to the other wdw parks.