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Stimpy
06-21-2006, 05:21 PM
From USA Today:
Southwest closer to assigned seating

Updated 6/21/2006 9:52 AM ET

Southwest Airlines, with its open-seating policy, is examining other boarding methods that might hasten departures.


By Dan Reed, USA TODAY
Southwest Airlines will take its first overt step toward junking its fabled open seating next month when it tests the effect of assigned seats on its ability to quickly get its planes back into the air.
The tests will begin July 10 and affect about 200 selected flights departing from San Diego over several weeks. CEO Gary Kelly said Tuesday that Southwest wants "to make sure that we have studied all ... aspects of assigned seating before we make any change to what has been a very successful formula for the past 35 years."

Spokesman Ed Stewart said staff trained specifically for the test will monitor customer satisfaction as well as airline operations. San Diego offers a mix of short, medium and long flights conducive to the test.

A decision to begin assigning seats on all Southwest flights likely is months away, and would not be implemented before 2008, Kelly said. By then, Southwest expects to complete work on computer changes that would allow it to assign seats throughout its system.

Southwest officials have been discussing a switch to assigned seating for several years, but have been slow to move.

But now, Southwest is competing in new cities where potential customers aren't seeing the charm of open seating the same as many Southwest loyalists who grew up with it.

Southwest's industry-leading ability to turn around arriving planes and get them back in the air has been crucial to its successful low-cost operations.

The carrier invented the "20-minute turn" out of necessity in late 1971, the year it began flying. In order to meet its payroll, the thinly capitalized start-up had to return one of its four leased planes. But by turning its three remaining planes in 20 minutes, it continued operating its full schedule.

The idea worked. In the process, Southwest discovered that an intense focus on the highly efficient use of assets — planes, gates and employees — is a key to its profitability. That focus on efficiency became the company's hallmark. And it has paid off with 60 consecutive quarterly profits.

Southwest's turn times have stretched in recent years to around 30 minutes, on average. In part that's because it now flies larger-capacity planes. It also flies into more big airports where congestion slows operations.

Southwest ranks as the USA's No. 6 carrier in passenger miles flown, and it is on pace to move ahead of No. 5 Northwest Airlines in the 2006 rankings due out next spring. It already carries more domestic passengers than any other U.S. carrier.

Blue&Gold
06-21-2006, 06:04 PM
Assigned seating, load back to front... More efficient than the cattle rush SW now uses, and much more efficient than the front to back model used by most airlines. Unfortunately, airlines have conditioned their highest-paying customers to expect to be seated first, which is counterintuitive.

carolina_yankee
06-21-2006, 07:22 PM
I'm a little nervous about this test, only because I fear it means the end of less expensive seats. Southwest offers a clear alternative to the other airlines, and I've been very please with them. I'd like to think that loading back to front is more efficient, but that's not been my experience on aircraft that have done it that way. There are always people boarding out of order and that calls a halt to the whole process.

My admiration for Southwest's approach soared when the turned a flight around in 20 minutes in order to get us off the ground before an ATC hold went into effect in our destination airport. If they do make the change, I hope they do it in a way that preserves their efficiency and customer friendly attitudes.

Dirk

RweTHEREyet
06-21-2006, 07:58 PM
Assigned seating, load back to front... More efficient than the cattle rush SW now uses, and much more efficient than the front to back model used by most airlines. Unfortunately, airlines have conditioned their highest-paying customers to expect to be seated first, which is counterintuitive.


I agree with you totally.

matysgranma
06-21-2006, 08:42 PM
I'm a little nervous about this test, only because I fear it means the end of less expensive seats. Southwest offers a clear alternative to the other airlines, and I've been very please with them. I'd like to think that loading back to front is more efficient, but that's not been my experience on aircraft that have done it that way. There are always people boarding out of order and that calls a halt to the whole process.

My admiration for Southwest's approach soared when the turned a flight around in 20 minutes in order to get us off the ground before an ATC hold went into effect in our destination airport. If they do make the change, I hope they do it in a way that preserves their efficiency and customer friendly attitudes.

Dirk
Dirk, I agree with you. I have been on a Southwest flight from Orlando that took exactly 18 minutes to load up and push off onto the runway. I'm afraid we'll lose that and the great airfares they offer us now. I guess too many people complaining about the cattle call rush has pushed them into testing the assigned seat theory. We'll just have to see how this plays out.

mushu
06-21-2006, 10:53 PM
I for one like the A, B, C, way.

Blue&Gold
06-21-2006, 11:26 PM
If people understood that aviation safety statistics showed that the back of an aircraft is safer than the front, and they could get out of the "I'm paying more so I should get on first" paradigm---which really just gets them the opportunity to get hit in the grape by the "lower classes" carry-on luggage---aircraft loading would be much more eficient. Yes, people don't follow the rules and jam up the aisle---but they should be burned at the stake anyway.

One other paradigm shift that could make aircraft safer as well would be to turn all the seats around and face to the rear. It is much better for a passenger's back & neck in the event of sudden deceleration, without any greater instance of motion sickness.

I fly a multi-crew Navy aircraft, and other than the pilots and a couple crew members whose seats can not be oriented to the rear, the required position for take-offs and landings for the bulk of the crew is facing the rear of the aircaft.

carolina_yankee
06-22-2006, 01:17 AM
Dirk, I agree with you. I have been on a Southwest flight from Orlando that took exactly 18 minutes to load up and push off onto the runway. I'm afraid we'll lose that and the great airfares they offer us now. I guess too many people complaining about the cattle call rush has pushed them into testing the assigned seat theory. We'll just have to see how this plays out.
The funny thing is that other airlines are testing the open seating (or at least, no assigned seating until you check in) as a way of offering cheaper fares.

Blue & Gold is right about loading efficiencies - I just never see anyone follow the rules, which is why I like Southwest. At least it's harder to cheat witih their system (And I've gotten exit row 4 times out of 5!!)

Dirk

pouncingpluto
06-22-2006, 01:17 PM
One explanation I've read for why the cattle call saves money is that other airlines spend so much time dealing with customers trying to change seating assignments, reprinting new boarding passes due to these changes, etc. And Southwest avoids that.

magicmommy
06-22-2006, 04:54 PM
I for one like the A, B, C, way.


I agree. We try to fly SWA whenever possible.....If it ain't broke don't fix it!