Fanning the Contemporary flame...

[lllovell]

We took a fireworks cruise that left from the Contemporary marina this past trip. While giving us a tour of both lakes, the boat driver/guide said that the North Wing and tennis courts are FOR SURE going to be DVC and the change over is going to start in June when they tear down the North wing.
(ok - so if I am remembering the north/south wing thing backwards forgive me - I KNOW he said by the tennis courts).

I said this rumor has been going around forever wwhat makes you say it isn't a rumor and he said he was sure it wasn't just rumor.

Do I believe it - lol not until they announce.....but thought you all might want to know that one more CM is saying it is a "go" and he said June.

Laura

[KNWVIKING]

I believe the boat captain is on the right track. They already moved the tennis club over to GF. Not sure if the courts a CR are still open or not.

[ghost1000]

Well June's not so long to wait to see if it's possible. I guess we'll have a better idea if they start to tear down the tennis courts at that time.

I hope they use the updated room design and not the previous decorating scheme.

[ErinC]

The decor of the Contemporary does nothing for me, but as we monorailed from the MK to the Poly a few weeks ago I couldn't help but look over at the tennis court area and think... boy oh boy, wouldn't those buildings have an incredible view. You would either be looking at the MK or Bay Lake, both views I could really live with. Wasn't there an article about the takeover of the runway there by Wilderness Lodge, a couple of weeks ago. Some people thought it might have something to do with the construction on the Contemporary. The June timeframe would certainly work with the takeover of the runway for equipment to do the job.

[tjkraz]

Particularly since this site opened, I've received several emails or PMs from several people with "highly-placed sources" at Disney who claim that the CR is on the way. I think that unless Al Weiss, Bob Iger or some other highly-placed Disney official has a change of heart at the 11th hour, it's only a matter of time.

The fact that it wasn't mentioned during the Expedition Everest ceremonies tells me that it will probably be several more months before any announcement is forthcoming. During the EE event they covered Nemo at Epcot, Nemo at AK, DME future, PotC...it would have been the perfect opportunity to cover DVC CR as well. Now it will probably have to wait another quarter.

[mushu]

It will be the fasatest DVC resort to sell out.

[DSNY FN]

I hope we don't see a CRV as I don't think it is a benefit to the DVC brand honestly. Other than momorail access the CR isn't much of a resort we see other than chef mickeys. I would rather them put it at Coronado or Poly or even the Eagle Pines that was supposed to be built those would be first preference over CR for us.

[ghost1000]

So let's just say the rumors turn out to be true, and there will be a DVC at the Contemporary. Do you think the points chart would be equivalent to VWL, BCV, and BWV (preferred/boardwalk view). Or do you think it would be higher?

I probably wouldn't add on, but I'd be interested in staying there.

[doombuggy]

I have to agree with tjkraz, but I still like to speculate.
Iwas over that way on Saturday and there were some trailers (meaning, tractor trailers) in the Pluto parking lot. This would be in the general area of the North Wing & tennis courts. Don't know what it means, however.

And before I get a finger pointed at me with "another CM spreading rumors" - please rmember it's my opinion, and even after nearly 10 years of service, I am nowhere near high enough on the totem pole to be in the "cone" on these types of secrets. There are 57,000 employees here, and beleive me, a tiny fraction know what the next DVC resort will be and when it will be announced. I, unfortunately, am not one of those people.

peace, love & Mickey!:kitty:

[CRSNDSNY]

So let's just say the rumors turn out to be true, and there will be a DVC at the Contemporary. Do you think the points chart would be equivalent to VWL, BCV, and BWV (preferred/boardwalk view). Or do you think it would be higher?

I believe that if this is to come to fruition, it is going to be smaller (like VWL) and be a tad higher point-wise than VWL, BCV and BWV.

BTW, are you sure your boat captain wasn't :ale:


;)
JK

This is one rumor I am hoping is true. I'd love to purchase some points at any monorail DVC!

[tjkraz]

I believe that if this is to come to fruition, it is going to be smaller (like VWL) and be a tad higher point-wise than VWL, BCV and BWV.


I agree on the points, but not on the size. The current garden wings each have about 300 guest rooms--each a little bigger than the current DVC Studio floorplan. Just demolishing and re-building with the current resort footprint would give them around 200 DVC villas of varying sizes.

Then you add to that the land on which the tennis courts and center sit.

I think they will totally change the layout of the garden wing to accommodate the additional land, a queit pool, etc. When it's all said and done, IMO it will be upward of 400 rooms.

As popular as DVC has proven to be, I don't see them EVER building another 130 room resort add-on at WDW. There's no sense in spending 3 years to construct a property that will be sold in 9 months. The more rooms you build, the lower the incremental cost is for each unit. Why build small when demand is large?

[Pumpkinboy]

The question in my mind would be:
Do we think they'll build any Grand Villas?

And since they seem to fill up studios and 2BRs first, do we think they'll have more of those and fewer 1BRs (which seem to take longer to book up)?

I like the ability to book a 1BR later than the exact 11 month point for popular times, so I am hoping that they'll keep the ratios the same as the current resorts.

I think adding a DVC wing will help with the Contemporary's usual overcapacity; by bringing in DVC, you are sure to fill those rooms, and not have to rent them on the cheap as AP discounts or Shades of Green overflow discounts and that sort of thing. This is what gives me hope for the VAKL; since AKL is invariably one of the resorts where AP discounts are available, I keep hoping that they'll convert the Kudu and Ostrich wings to DVC units (I think you'd have to have a Std View category there as we do at BWV).

As for whether I'll be adding on for CRV, we might, depending on what DW thinks of them. But for VAKL, I will be selling all of our SSR and up to half of our BWV points to buy there.

[CRSNDSNY]

As popular as DVC has proven to be, I don't see them EVER building another 130 room resort add-on at WDW. There's no sense in spending 3 years to construct a property that will be sold in 9 months. The more rooms you build, the lower the incremental cost is for each unit. Why build small when demand is large?
IF the sales overlap with SSR and CRV, do you think they'd fear not being able to sell out SSR if CRV were available? And in that case perhaps they'd wait to announce CRV development until SSR is sold out. I really think that if they announced CRV then those who were interested in buying SSR would hold off and wait for CRV. CRV seems more appealing.

[lllovell]

Not sure about "more appealing". I know it is to many, but who knows what the average DVCer would think.

For my family, I would love to stay there some time (as we would love to stay at ALL the resorts), but I don't think I am interested in owning there. My main concern would be the cost of the monorail system being incorporated into the dues. I would venture to guess that sometime in the next 50 years, the monorail system will no longer be the same as it is now and the newer system might cost more or less - really no way to know.

I would welcome the VCR because so many DVCers seem to be interested and it will add another great alternative to our 7 resorts making the value increase both in terms of ownership satisfaction and dollars.

Laura

[tjkraz]

I agree with Laura...it's really hard to know what we're talking about right now.

Assuming that CR is announced before the end of the year and has the same 2054 ending year as SSR, which makes more sense:

1. SSR points for $101 (pre-discount) with usage 2006 - 2054.
2. CR points for $110 (?) with usage 2009 - 2054.

We don't know what dues will run.

We don't know what the point charts will look like.

On the surface the CR is appealing because of the monorail, but let's look at that a bit more closely. Walking to the MK is a given--the resort monorail runs the opposite direction, meaning that boarding at the CR would take you to the TTC, Poly and GF before you arrive at the MK. Monorail to Epcot is all well and good, but I don't think many people realize how far the walk is from the garden wing to the 4th floor concourse in the tower. Then you need to switch trains at the TTC. Busses to other destinations, but how far away are the bus stops?

You also won't get nearly as romatic a view from the Garden Wings as you do from the Tower.

Grand Villas? I think DVC would love to build them. SSR GVs are about twice the size of two 2B, but the weekday points run about 20-35% higher than two 2Bs. More points means more revenue for DVD.

[cobbler]

My perspective - for what its worth.

Originally I was excited there would be a CRV, thought about adding on if there were.

Now, not so much. Would I like to stay there? Sure I would be own there now I don't think so.

To me the Cont is the tower, and if I can't stay in the tower well then . . . .
Which is why I am knocking out the tower on an upcoming trip. Kind of putting a lot of points on a rumor but oh well, I want to try all the resorts on property anyway.

So, I was walking through the BW, checked out their little model and of course we chatted about the rumor (a CM and myself). Of course we all know CM's are notorious for saying things that aren't true but he did make a good point.

I thought the price to buy in would be high, around 105 ish. But he said, now he said he didn't think so. Not without incentives. Why? Because look at it from a buyers perspective. Who is going to pay big $$, over 15-20G to buy into the CR and have very little points to work with. It just doesn't make good sense. They want to sell. He worded this waaay better than I am right now, it was back in November we had this conversation. But I hope you understand what I am trying to say.

As for point prices, hmm, that is tough. I really can't see them being much higher than the BC/VWL line. Honestly I just can't. I know it's location and on the monorail but those are walking / boat to 2 parks so it really can't be to far out of line with those. BC/BW are pretty upscale resorts (not that the others aren't) and they are close to parks so this one really shouldn't be any different and I really don't see it being that way either.

I just don't see the huge increase everyone speculates. I think there is a mysterious orb about CR that makes everyone think it will be so coveted.

I am a tad bit leary about being able to get a villa without owning there, but I would always get a one bedroom and thankfully (according to what I have read) those seem to be plentiful over the others.

I also wonder if this paranoia about non CR owners getting into CR will be the same as BC/BW/WL bunch.

[doombuggy]

So, I was walking through the BW, checked out their little model and of course we chatted about the rumor (a CM and myself). Of course we all know CM's are notorious for saying things that aren't true but he did make a good point

It's comments like these that I find personally offensive. You say you are chatting about "the rumor" and then go on to say that "CM's are notorious for saying things that aren't true." Do you think that an hourly CM knows the answer to this question/rumor for sure??? I will point blank tell you that THIS cast member (meaning myself) doesn't know. Even after nearly 10 years of service to this company, I am not high up enough to know an answer to this rumor. You ask my opinion, you'll get it, plain and simple. If you want a true answer, well you are going to have to wait until an announcement is made, like the rest of us. :sunny:

[lllovell]

Doom - I can see how you would take it personally...but I think what cobbler is referring to is the fact that some CMs do act as if what they are saying is FACT. It is fun to speculate (and we all love talking about WDW and what MIGHT happen) but there are some people that insist what they are saying is a given when it is just speculation.

Basically...what I am saying is don't lump yourself into that group because Cobbler didn't I am sure.

I also don't think it was a blast against CMs either. Opinions are GREAT and fun. People insisting their opinions are fact are usually going to be proven wrong and CM rumors (which could have been delivered as a "rumor" and the vacationer thought they were saying it is a fact) have ALWAYS been fodder for boards like this.

I am sure Cobbler meant no harm and I appreciate your response being civil even though it offended you.

Laura

[PoohsPal]

It's comments like these that I find personally offensive. You say you are chatting about "the rumor" and then go on to say that "CM's are notorious for saying things that aren't true."
I'm so sorry you were offended. I can't speak for cobbler, but I really don't think she intended any harm. That is not like her. CM's are closer to the action than most of us and we all hope we can glean some tidbit of information. Reading internet boards enough, you do start to get the opionion that some cms do like to spread rumors.

We try to make sure people don't get offended here, but may forget that CMs come her too. I know in my eyes, CMs are like super stars and it's hard to remember that they frequent our home here too. Thank you for pointing out that we need to watch what we say, as we are priveledged to have CMs here too. :goodvibes:

[cobbler]

Sorry doom, didn't mean to offend. I guess I could have worded it differently.

Ok, you know how you read the threads where the boat/bus drivers say the monorail is extending to MGM in a couple of years or is going to extend to all the resorts and such, that is kind of what I was getting at.

Now this particular CM didn't say the the CR rumor would happen for sure, we were really just chatting about the price per point and such if it were to happen.

I don't know if that explains it any better, but I hope so.

It might be one of those things where you had to be there.