Next DVC Resort

[ghost1000]

This is all speculation for the fun of it. It appears the announcement for the next DVC resort will be in the fall (folks, including me, have indicated their guide told them of an upcoming announcement in several months). What do you think it will be?

As much as I'd like to see a DVC in California, and as much as I'd like to see a DVC at the Polynesian Resort, I think it will be the Contemporary. There's been too many rumors floating around about this.

I did speak with someone at a DVC kiosk in Californiaa, and he told me definitively that the next one would be in Hawaii. But I'm not really hearing that from anyone else. But I am hearing a lot about the Contemporary.

If it is the Contemporary, I would probably try it out, but wouldn't buy in. And I would hope any DVC at the Contemporary would reflect the new decorating scheme. That other one was soooo ugly (at least to me it was).

So where would you like the next one to be, and where do you think the next one will be?

[DarthGoofy]

I think the next one will be at the Contemporary. I would like the next one to be at the AKL. :jumpingbe That would be an instant Add-On!!

[tjkraz]

Rita,

I really waffle on the CR. The rumors have been around for sooooooooo long that I've almost become jaded. That said, I rode past the CR on the monorail last week a couple of times and there really is a lot of land in the North Garden Wing that has most frequently been linked to DVC rumors. Disney has publicly stated that the tennis center is closing. I've been told that the garden wing currently houses about 300 rooms--rooms that are a bit larger than the current DVC Studio design. So, if you demolish the current north wing and the tennis center and design a DVC structure that's 4-5 stories tall, there's probably enough land to build 400+ rooms (including 1Bs, 2Bs, etc.)

One of my big hangups with the CR has been the perceived small size of the property. BCV and VWL notwithstanding, I don't think DVC is interested in building small properties anymore. It only took them 13-14 months to sell out the Beach Club (with 200 rooms). Their follow-up resort was SSR which is now over 800 rooms.

Having looked at the property with something of a critical eye, I think with the right design they could get enough rooms in the CR land to make it a worthwhile project.

What will be next? I'll go with a 70% chance of CR, 20% chance of something at Disneyland and 10% chance of something off-site.

Time will tell... :D
Tim

(BTW I moved your thread to one of the DVC boards so that it will get a little more attention. ;) )

[KNWVIKING]

I don't know.........

These suites at Poop Century ( or is it AS? ) have me a little concerned.

Maybe they annouce the Ginzu Knife version of DVC next.

[lenshanem]

I think the ASM suites really make DVC not look as appealing. These are somewhat nice suites for the price, especially when you compare them to a DVC studio.

[JohnNJ]

I think the ASM suites really make DVC not look as appealing. These are somewhat nice suites for the price, especially when you compare them to a DVC studio.

It's the two bathrooms in these little suites that really get you thinking.:scratchch

John

[Leftcoaster]

I'm still voting for Hawaii as the next DVC followed very shortly by the Contemporary.

[doombuggy]

I am hopeing it's the contemporary. It is my intension to buy the smallest contract I possbly can this month to start (once my dad gets his rear in gear), and then add on if DVC starts at the contemporary. MK is my favorite park and being within walking distance really jazzes me up. :jumpingbe

[RweTHEREyet]

I think the ASM suites really make DVC not look as appealing. These are somewhat nice suites for the price, especially when you compare them to a DVC studio.

I totally disagree that they will make DVC look less appealing. No matter what they do to those rooms, when you walk outside you are still at the AllStars.

[tjkraz]

It's the two bathrooms in these little suites that really get you thinking.:scratchch


Leaving the two bathrooms when making a suite at ASMu was probably a cost-driven necessity. If they move forward with phase 2 at POP with all suites, I bet the room design no longer has the two bathrooms.

This is getting a little off-topic, but I do wonder what impact these suites will have on DVC. Fact is that there is a large segment of the Disney guest population that will NEVER be right for DVC. It may be sacriledge to us, but some folks just don't choose to visit annually (>gasp<). Others can't afford DVC.

But there's a segment of the population that may like the appeal of DVC, but really doesn't care how big their room is. The 4 Value resorts total over 10,000 rooms, so clearly there are a LOT of people who don't mind such accommodations. Some of those folks could be drawn to the concept of buying into DVC and putting 4 in a studio for 8 or 9 pts per night. But with the value suites as an option, DVC may not seem as attractive.

I think there are SOME people who fit into that category, but probably not a significant number. Building a large number of family suites will have a greater impact on the off-site hotels that offer similar accommodations.

[RweTHEREyet]

I don't think that the people who will find the AllStar suites appealing would have been DVC candidates anyway. I guess I feel that DVC people are people who want and demand a little more than what the AllStars and Pop can offer.

I have said before, but I have stayed at the AllStars more times than I care to remember and have stayed at Pop Century, too, and while there is nothing wrong with either of them, I definitely have higher expectations when I move over to my DVC.

[DisFlan]

As much as I'd like to see a CR DVC (someday??), I doubt we'd own there. We simply spend more time in the Epcot area.

I really don't believe the new suites are going to have much of an effect on either DVC ownership OR rentals. Aside from a fairly small percentage, I just don't think it's the same WDW audience at all.

If Disney builds another non-WDW DVC, I'd bet it'll be near a park, like Disneyland. Or maybe even Hong Kong or Tokyo.

DisFlan

[AmyBeth68]

I'm going with the CR. That's my best guess :). But ITA that a DVC property at AKL would be instant add-on for us too. A girl can dream! :loveisint

As for the new AS suites. I think they are simply a way to combat the off-site hotels such as the Nick Suites, etc that offer similar amenities. I am sure Disney lost some business to those hotels since they aren't overly expensive. The reality is that DVC offers a deluxe resort experience that AS and Pop can't really offer...if you compare pools, dining options, location, etc. NOT that I dislike the values....b/c they are really a great option for many of us depending on the situation. But I don't see how it will pull all that much business away from DVC IMHO.

[Lisa]

I think it would either be...

a) CR
b) DL
c) Hawaii

It seems strange we had a whole lot of rumour going around about a year ago and for many months now, nothing. The calm before the storm?

It just has to be the CR. The tennis center closing. The north wing not scheduled for renovations. Detailed rumour of building design. Too many hints.

But I think they are holding out as long a possible. I thought they would have announced CR by now!

I think that DL and Hawaii are possibilities. And AKL after CR.

[lenshanem]

I totally disagree that they will make DVC look less appealing. No matter what they do to those rooms, when you walk outside you are still at the AllStars.


That is true! :ROTFL:

[lenshanem]

I would do an instant add on at AKL. I love that place.

I don't think the values even compare to the Nick Hotel. Have you seen pics of their pool complex?

My kids want to stay there badly.

[CRSNDSNY]

Do you suppose there will be a drop in both rental and CRO DVC reservations once the value suites open up?

[RweTHEREyet]

I don't, the number of rooms available when they open is a small drop in the bucket compared to the number of hotel rooms, including DVC, on Disney property

[CRSNDSNY]

Let me rephrase...what I meant was do you think less people will be looking for DVC accomodations and switch to the value suites instead?
I guess my reasoning would be that the main pool of people renting points are those that may not be able to afford their own contract will suddenly see it being less expensive to get an All Star suite instead?

[ryanmilla]

I am jumping on the band-wagon with a CR DVC resort. However, I think one in Hawaii would be pretty sweet.

[tjkraz]

I guess my reasoning would be that the main pool of people renting points are those that may not be able to afford their own contract will suddenly see it being less expensive to get an All Star suite instead?

I have to say I think I agree with this logic.

Up until now, renting points for DVC rooms was the only way to get a suite-type accommodation at a reasonable price. Our introduction to DVC came when we had 4 adults and one child traveling, and discovered we could rent points for a 2B for less than connecting rooms at a Moderate resort.

Now, for even LESS money than the point rental, we could get a suite at ASMu. And you're eliminating some of the uncertainty of renting points (boy, was I nervous until I had a key in my hand) and the high weekend points.

Honestly I probably would have still opted for the rental. The sleeping accommodations don't sound all that great for 4 adults and the 2B gave us a LOT more room for just a little more money. But I think there are families with two adults and 3 or 4 kids who will jump at the suites rather than renting points for a more expensive two bedroom villa. With 10,000 value resort rooms on-site vs about 2000 DVC rooms, obviously there are a LOT of people who don't mind staying in a value class room.

I've long thought that DVC was lacking an ideal solution for families of 5 or 6 since you need to jump way up to a Two Bedroom. These new suites may help fill that niche with Disney guests.

[CRSNDSNY]

Based on Tim's logic, I wonder if it will in turn drive down DVC rental rates from members? Maybe we will see a drop in the per point cost perhaps from something like the $10 - $12 we've been seeing down to the $8 - $10 to make it more competitive with these new value suites.

:scratchch

[jnrrt]

I doubt it'll push the rental rates lower since they've been static for so long. And I still think that it's not just that people need more beds, although for many families, that's a problem. But there are still just a lot of renters who want to stay at the nicer Disney resorts without paying the rack rate for a room.

Fort Wilderness has been an option for larger families for a long time, and we tried them. We thought the cabin was really cute and well-themed and everything, but we won't be back because we thought the location was very inconvenient, even though we like to visit the campground. I have a feeling this will be the case for many who consider this resort as well - it's great to have another option, and I think Disney should keep them coming because they're missing a big group of people who have more than 2 kids, but I still wouldn't stay there long-term because I wouldn't want my whole vacation to be at an All-Star when it could be at a DVC. Maybe for a weekend sometime, but not for a week.

Plus, you can't beat laundry in your own room when you have kids and for packing light. I would trade that for the extra bathroom anyday. Of course, you may have to check back with me on that when my girls hit the teens.

[JohnNJ]

Based on Tim's logic, I wonder if it will in turn drive down DVC rental rates from members? Maybe we will see a drop in the per point cost perhaps from something like the $10 - $12 we've been seeing down to the $8 - $10 to make it more competitive with these new value suites.

:scratchch

Why would we want to make a deluxe resort competitive with a value resort? If anything we should increase the rental price to differentiate DVC from the All-Star suite.

John

[CRSNDSNY]

I just think that the group of people who rent DVC are often times those that usually stay at Value but really want to try deluxe like DVC. The value suites may be their answer.

[JohnNJ]

I just think that the group of people who rent DVC are often times those that usually stay at Value but really want to try deluxe like DVC. The value suites may be their answer.

I know we're getting a little off topic here but once people really look at the suites and compare them to two value rooms they may not think it's such a good thing.

You're guarantee that your group is in one room with the suite which can't be guaranteed with two rooms.

You can fit 6 in the suite and 8 in two rooms.

You give up two double beds in the suite for fold outs.

You get a fridge and microwave in the suite. The fridge is available in the rooms but for an additional fee. I think you also get an extra tv in the suite.

No matter how you slice it, it's not deluxe and for the few dollars you save on a suite over two rooms it may not be worth what you lose.

I just wish we had a second bathroom in a one bedroom villa. :yes:

John

[CRSNDSNY]

I agree that the quality and amenities are vastly different.

[jiggerj]

I am jumping on the band-wagon with a CR DVC resort. However, I think one in Hawaii would be pretty sweet.

I am jumping on the band-wagon too- And Hawaii would be VERY sweet indeed!!:sunny:

[tjkraz]

I think there will be SOME impact on the volume of rentals, strictly because there is now another option where previously none existed. But whether that means .5% fewer rentals or 15% fewer rentals...I have no idea. I'd guess it will be on the low side, and probably not enough to really impact pricing.

Even with three levels of Disney resort (Value, Moderate, Deluxe), many people still choose Deluxe. So, a cheaper suite will certainly not eliminate DVC rentals.

Also bear in mind that the number of these suites is very small right now. Disney has already said that no discounts will be offered for these rooms, and I assume they will be fairly difficult to book.

We'll have to re-evaluate if Disney moves forward with Phase 2 of POP as an all-suite property. In and of itself, that would be a curious move since the concensus was that Disney already has too many rooms. I've even heard rumblings that Disney will eventually have to start renovating or re-building existing portions of Deluxe resorts as DVC continues to grow. More DVC members means fewer cash guests.

As for the suite issue, it seems like they would be wise to retrofit ALL of ASMu as suites before they build 2000 brand new rooms at POP.

[Pumpkinboy]

...We'll have to re-evaluate if Disney moves forward with Phase 2 of POP as an all-suite property. In and of itself, that would be a curious move since the concensus was that Disney already has too many rooms. I've even heard rumblings that Disney will eventually have to start renovating or re-building existing portions of Deluxe resorts as DVC continues to grow. More DVC members means fewer cash guests.

As for the suite issue, it seems like they would be wise to retrofit ALL of ASMu as suites before they build 2000 brand new rooms at POP.I am not sure that the assertion that "Disney already has too many rooms" really works that well. In the 2004 annual report (the most recent available) they crow about rising occupancy rates accross all of the resort classes, with especially strong results in the Value end of the pool. The gains at the Value end of the spectrum have generally been at the expense of the off-site Mom and Pop motels, and lower end chains (like Best Western and such), so the customers that Pop Century is attracting are new Disney lodging customers (I recall a Wall Street Journal article to this effect some time last year). I think that these new Value suites are looking to build on this success, and steal family customers from the Comfort Suites and Sierra Suites type hotel chains. I think previously that this type of accommodation was missing from Disney's offerings and they were missing out of some incremental income. So I'm hoping that adding suites to the Values captures this customer segment.

As for the impact on the DVC rental market, it may have some effect, but I don't expect it will be all that significant. It might reduce the number of low ball offers out there. JMHO

As for the next DVC? well, I'd love to see one at AKL, and that would be an instand sale for me (maybe they could convert the Kudu Trail). Contemporary would be lovely too, tho I am not sure I'd buy there; might stay there tho. Hawaii would also be nice, tho I'm not sure we'd buy or stay there (DW will want to tho). Now something at DisneyLand would be interesting...

[goofy4dvc]

I don't know.........

These suites at Poop Century

Poop Century??:ROTFL:

As to my guess, I think it will either be CR or Eagle Pines. I think that CR would be an advantage for DVCers because of the monorail and for DVD because they already have the facility/utilities in place, in addition to the restaurants, check-in desk, etc. I would love to see something at Disneyland before Hawaii.

[ghost1000]

Wouldn't it be cool if the next DVC resort was near one of the parks, but not attached to an existing hotel. Something with maybe 400-500 rooms.

I'll bet that would get a lot of people buying add-ons or buying into DVC.

Of course, I don't know where they would put it, but the question is just for fun anyway.

[doombuggy]

You are so fun, Rita. I would love a DVC resort near the MK, and would probably add on for that. :fingerscr

[mushu]

If CR does happen, it will sell out fast.

[nono]

You know I have been thinking about this over and over. For me, as much as at first I thought VCR would just make me "over the moon," I have to say, it's probably not in my top two. I think it is great for those that want it, but for me, and our family, I think our top two would be Eagle Pines and VDL (Villas Disneyland).

Wouldn't it be super if all of the rumors come true and we all get to add-on at the DVC that suits us best???? :loveisint

[DisFlan]

You know I have been thinking about this over and over. For me, as much as at first I thought VCR would just make me "over the moon," I have to say, it's probably not in my top two. I think it is great for those that want it, but for me, and our family, I think our top two would be Eagle Pines and VDL (Villas Disneyland).

Wouldn't it be super if all of the rumors come true and we all get to add-on at the DVC that suits us best???? :loveisint

I feel the same way. My DH (the golf nut) would love Eagle Pines - it's one of his favorite courses at WDW. I'd like a CRV, but I can see the points being pretty high, so we'll probably just stick with where we are at BWV - which we both love.

I don't know what brought it on, but my DH woke me up this morning talking about how much he really REALLY likes BWV. So maybe we're talking ADD-ON in the near future!


DisFlan

[RoyalCanadian]

The DVC rep manning the desk at the Contemporary Resort on the evening of March 12th told me that the latest rumour flying around the DVC CMs is that the next DVC resort will not be just one resort -- but that DVC will instead move to develop more than one DVC location at a time.

Personally, I would love to see a DL DVC resort -- but where? The DVC reps I chatted with at DL in July told me there wasn't enough room to develop a DVC presence at the GC and the only real possibility was the Strawberry Fields where a CM parking lot now exists.

You have to love the speculation.

[nono]

RoyalCanadian,

I spent a good amount of time last summer staring at Strawberry Field(s) (sorry I never remember if it is singular or plural) trying to manifest it with my mind. I'm sorry to say, I was totally unsuccessful, as you know. :boohoohoo

I do think that's probably the only location, unless another property is acquired and razed. Regardless, it would be great for us as we usually stay aways down Harbor Blvd.

I love your "info" on simultaneous development. :highfive:

[lenshanem]

Does anyone really think a DVC DL would work, though? It would be cool, but isn't most of DL's guests locals?

[AFMom]

No - most of DL's guests are not local. There are a lot of AP holders who visit frequently - and many are locals - but let me tell you - there are plaenty of people from all over - all over the world as well. And DL has been extremely crowded lately. We're talking holiday crowds at times like mid January.
I really think they'd do quite well with a DVC there.
I wanted to pipe in about the Nick Suites - I really think that's a big reason for doing this. I've talked to a lot of families staying there that would have stayed onsite if there was a cheaper suite option.

[ghost1000]

I had a thought about a DL DVC this morning. I think a hotel themed to New Orleans would be perfect for Disneyland Resort.

[carolina_yankee]

My vote is that a Contemporary DVC is the most likely.

I really can't see a DVC at DL at this point, unless they're buying a nearby hotel and totally refurbing it. I don't think there's enough land in the area nearby to do a nice job from the ground up, otherwise.

Hawaii would be nice, but I would still bet on the contemporary. A reliable CM who is pretty high up in engineering on the RADP newsgroup said there are tentative plans for DVCs at all resorts. That is, the engineers have evaluated where/how a DVC could be added onto each property if DVD chose to do that.

Specific conversastion in that thread focused on CR and AKL, but I don't know if she meant only the deluxes, or included mods or values as well. Even if values were included, I don't think the suite thing is part of that plan.

Dirk

[ghost1000]

Specific conversastion in that thread focused on CR and AKL, but I don't know if she meant only the deluxes, or included mods or values as well. Even if values were included, I don't think the suite thing is part of that plan.

I spoke with a DVC CM out in California who also mentioned this. He specifically indicated DVCs for all the deluxe resorts, but didn't mention the mods or values at all.

[lenshanem]

Guess we'll be owning at the Poly and AKL then! :hyper:

[Rozzie]

did someone say AKL & POLY??????

[carolina_yankee]

did someone say AKL & POLY??????
Shhhhh. Don't tell anyone. It's our little secret! :Paranoid: We can't let everyone else line up for the contracts, now, can we?

Of course, this is just potential long-range planning . . .

Dirk

[CRSNDSNY]

I don't think I'd buy at AKL. I'd buy CR or Poly, though.

[goofy4dvc]

I prefer Grand Floridian to Poly or Contemporary and would buy definitely buy there. I think a DVC at the GF, Poly or Contemporary would be difficut to get within the 7 month window, so you would probably have to own there to stay there.

[ljldml]

My guess would be the Contemporary. I would add on immediately. I love the idea of just walking to MK.

[lenshanem]

The only problem is I thought I read there is no good solid ground over near the Poly to add a DVC. Would they tear down an existing wing?!?

And GF... Is there room there? As it is the parking lot is across the street...

[dianeschlicht]

I think the most likely is the Contemporary, but I HOPE it's Hawaii! I don't want to see a further "dummied down" version like the "pop suite" idea.

[DisFlan]

I don't want to see a further "dummied down" version like the "pop suite" idea.

Whew! I was beginning to think I was the only one who felt this way.


DisFlan