Dec. resale BCV $100 pp

[jiggerj]

http://www.dvc-resales.com/detail.cfm?ID=BC200-12-0227

[PoohsPal]

Wow. Let the games begin...

[Stimpy]

Ouch! Something about seeing 3 digits makes me cringe. I knew it was coming but didn't want to believe it LOL

[Rozzie]

yeah, stimp, this is going to be hard on my denial.

[carolina_yankee]

So, for the "lucky" buyer, I wonder how they'll feel staying next door to someone who bought $90 SSR points (the current discount), booked at 7 months (assuming not Thanksgiving, Christmas or Easter) and can stay there x years longer!!

I can see the price increasing as 7 mos bookings become very, very hard - but that ought to be conteracted by the shorter term of the contract and Disney's own price . . .

Dirk

[PoohsPal]

I can see the price increasing as 7 mos bookings become very, very hard - but that ought to be conteracted by the shorter term of the contract and Disney's own price . . .

Dirk
It should, but it seems like SSR prices should be going down as contract gets shorter, not up too.

[Leftcoaster]

Absolutely amazing to see that figure. Wow. I have to wonder though, if this sale goes through at $100 per point, will that cause a lot of other sellers to start raising their prices even more?

[jiggerj]

Its not being offered on the site anymore does that mean someone has purchased it already? Did I miss it being posted in the "pending" status?

[cruise-o-matic]

So, for the "lucky" buyer, I wonder how they'll feel staying next door to someone who bought $90 SSR points (the current discount), booked at 7 months (assuming not Thanksgiving, Christmas or Easter) and can stay there x years longer!!

I can see the price increasing as 7 mos bookings become very, very hard - but that ought to be conteracted by the shorter term of the contract and Disney's own price . . .

Dirk

Or bought $70 HH points and booked a BCV studio for 12/05 and BCV 2br for 7/06 like we did :innocent: Not too mention a rare HHI studio for Spring Break :fresh:

BTW, after 2042, SSR will be the only DVC option (until another one opens). So you won't be able to use you SSR points at BCV/BWV/VWL/OKW.

[carolina_yankee]

BTW, after 2042, SSR will be the only DVC option (until another one opens). So you won't be able to use you SSR points at BCV/BWV/VWL/OKW.

Hmm. I hadn't thought about that. Is that right? I know the other points go away for current owners on 2042, but if those resorts are still around, wouldn't the SSR points be good for booking into them? It seems to me that any property in the DVC system would be available.

Dirk

[Leftcoaster]

Hmm. I hadn't thought about that. Is that right? I know the other points go away for current owners on 2042, but if those resorts are still around, wouldn't the SSR points be good for booking into them? It seems to me that any property in the DVC system would be available.

Dirk

Well, in theory, after January 2042, they would no longer be DVC properties as they revert back to Disney. However, Disney will probably figure a way to let us use our points at those properties.

[greenban]

Hmm. I hadn't thought about that. Is that right? I know the other points go away for current owners on 2042, but if those resorts are still around, wouldn't the SSR points be good for booking into them? It seems to me that any property in the DVC system would be available.

Dirk

Actually, in the DVC/DVD contract for SSR, it clearly mentions, you should not assume that SSR points will be usable at anyother resort after 01/2041.

-Tony

[carolina_yankee]

Actually, in the DVC/DVD contract for SSR, it clearly mentions, you should not assume that SSR points will be usable at anyother resort after 01/2041.

-Tony
Ah, that's the specificity I was looking for. I read and promptly forgot that little bit of info (I'll be 76 then) when I ready EVERYTHING one night before going to sleep. I dreamed of Disney vacations all night . . .

Dirk

[TheTimeshareStore]

The $100per pt listing was pulled for "obvious" reasons. :whistlebl
It should have NEVER been posted in the first place!

Tom

[Beca]

The $100per pt listing was pulled for "obvious" reasons. :whistlebl
It should have NEVER been posted in the first place!

Tom

I guess I am missing the "obvious". Why can't an owner ask what they want? Do you really not want people to do this?

I have seen listings go as high as $122 per point on ebay. It seems to me that people should be able to get what the market will bear.

What am I missing?

:sailing:

Beca

[carolina_yankee]

I admit to being a socially-conscioius capitalist, so from my viewpoint there's "the market" and the "well-informed market."

$100 per point when you can get the same thing from DVC at $92 per point (albeit through a waitlist) is a bit much for me. Plus, others aren't selling at that rate through the more popular DVC re-sale brokers. $122 per point on EBay borders on price-gouging in my mind, and might be taking advantage of people who don't understand their options as well.

I'll admit, if the market bears it, so be it. I suspect this was more like a trial balloon from someone who things the current prices are too low. The real question: Is the 11 month window really worth an $8 per point premium? Are the BCVs really the only acceptable DVC resort for a person? Is it worth paying more for an older contract when you can get a brand new contract and have 12 more years available (and the likelihood of getting into BCV or anywhere else at 7 months for most of the year)? Are there no other BCV contracts out there?

I'm enough of a free-market person to say that if someone answers "Yes" to all those questions and they have the $$, then go for it. But I have to question . . .

Dirk

[greenban]

:grouchodi I admit to being a socially-conscioius capitalist, so from my viewpoint there's "the market" and the "well-informed market."

$100 per point when you can get the same thing from DVC at $92 per point (albeit through a waitlist) is a bit much for me. Plus, others aren't selling at that rate through the more popular DVC re-sale brokers. $122 per point on EBay borders on price-gouging in my mind, and might be taking advantage of people who don't understand their options as well.

I'll admit, if the market bears it, so be it. I suspect this was more like a trial balloon from someone who things the current prices are too low. The real question: Is the 11 month window really worth an $8 per point premium? Are the BCVs really the only acceptable DVC resort for a person? Is it worth paying more for an older contract when you can get a brand new contract and have 12 more years available (and the likelihood of getting into BCV or anywhere else at 7 months for most of the year)? Are there no other BCV contracts out there?

I'm enough of a free-market person to say that if someone answers "Yes" to all those questions and they have the $$, then go for it. But I have to question . . .

Dirk

RE Waitlist:

Somewhat cursed with a September UY, I have been on the DVC's waitlist for BCV for 13 months now. The person before me was 17 months ont the waitlist. Yet other months are available right now..........

BTW my Dec UY waitlist was one day shy of 7 months for BCV points, and all they had was 73.


So I recently paid $94.00 a point to get them from Tom at the TimeShare Store. A place I give a 100% recomendation to, BTW. So with the $3.00 pp increas looming, $100.00 pp isn't that far a stretch, IMHO, YMMV!

-Tony
-Tony

[TheTimeshareStore]

This can be a volatile issue! One of those damned if you do and damned if you don't things.

As a broker we try very hard to be "reasonable". Sometimes we run across people that refuse to listen to reason. When that happens we simply have to ask them to list elsewhere because there are alot of factors to consider. If we have, what we consider an unsaleable listing, why should we spend our time effort and money advertising it? It incites the other sellers to question their listed prices. The next listing might be $102 per point because the seller thinks their package is better than the one listed for $100 per point. Do you see where we're going here??? If that happens, in the end, nobody wins because NOTHING will get sold and it will defeat the very purpose of our existence and what we are trying to accomplish for our buyers and sellers.

That's why the thread was originated, because the price was ridiculous at this time. People cannot have much respect for me or our company, if we do things that are totally out of the realm of possibility.

There will probably be a time in the future when those listings will sell for $100 per pt. It is just not now!!!

Sincerely,
Tom

[Beca]

This can be a volatile issue! One of those damned if you do and damned if you don't things.

As a broker we try very hard to be "reasonable". Sometimes we run across people that refuse to listen to reason. When that happens we simply have to ask them to list elsewhere because there are alot of factors to consider. If we have, what we consider an unsaleable listing, why should we spend our time effort and money advertising it? It incites the other sellers to question their listed prices. The next listing might be $102 per point because the seller thinks their package is better than the one listed for $100 per point. Do you see where we're going here??? If that happens, in the end, nobody wins because NOTHING will get sold and it will defeat the very purpose of our existence and what we are trying to accomplish for our buyers and sellers.

That's why the thread was originated, because the price was ridiculous at this time. People cannot have much respect for me or our company, if we do things that are totally out of the realm of possibility.

There will probably be a time in the future when those listings will sell for $100 per pt. It is just not now!!!

Sincerely,
Tom

Thank you for answering...and, I do appreciate the responsibility you take with your listings. However, I truly thought the DVC sales arena was fueled by "what the market will bear". As someone who is waiting for an add-on via DVC, I scan your site a few times every day. Price is the LAST thing I am looking at. I want the right size contract, with my UY, and having a few points in there wouldn't hurt either. With the small number of points I am looking for....a few dollars difference in price makes very little difference to me.

I honestly think the market would bear a price increase for BCV. DVC is ROFR'ing these properties at a higher price (even a year ago I often bid above what the seller was asking to get thru rofr), and waitlists are incredibly long. I would not be surprised if, in a few years, DVC actually puts BCV in a price tier of its own, so they can buy back more contracts to sell to members. I know that will be a VERY controversial statement, but DVC is already losing money on some of the BCV contracts it buys...if I were DVC, I certainly would raise the price to a point where I could acquire some points for members who were willing to pay for it (and, there certainly will be some....like me).

I do agree that ONE $100 pt contract could definitely encourage others, but with DVC raising the price to $95 the end of this month....maybe that is where BCV needs to be. I just looked at your website and there are NO available BCV properties....as a seller, don't you want some inventory? Maybe they are all priced a little too low. I am still kicking myself for not getting the "loaded" BCV 100 AUG contract that stayed on your site for just a few minutes....man, was that SWEET!! And honestly, with triple loaded points...it WAS priced too low at $90 per point. I think somewhere near the $100 mark would've been a much more appropriate place....I STILL would've grabbed it, and at that price, maybe I would've had a chance.

But, if DVC cannot get inventory of a property to sell to members, shouldn't the market price of that property be more? You can call DVC right now and get most any resort, in any UY. If you have to wait at all, the wait is less than a month. This is true for all resorts except BCV. So, in a capitalist society....why shouldn't that resort go for a premium? Adding on at VWL is pretty easy, but there are LOTS of contracts listed on TTS for $90 per point, when the last BCV I saw at $90 was gone in a flash.

Hmmm...I'm not sure why I am saying this? I might be buying one of those "expensive" contracts. But, the lack of availability of anything in this country drives the price up....I guess I don't understand why BCV should be any different. But, then again....I do LOVE that resort.

:king:

Beca

P.S. If you run across a 60 pt Aug at ANY price....PLEASE contact me!!! :handshake

[Rozzie]

With all due respect to Beca, (I always enjoy reading your posts!) I just don't get the BCV is supreme idea. BUT that is my humble opinion, of which 1000s disagree with, LOL.

However, that disclaimer being said, I agree some with Beca, that the market is dictating the prices right now. It kinda reminds me of the cabbage patch craze years ago. It was just a doll, with eyes and legs, and a piece of paper. Yet, we all remember the fights, the lines, the waiting lists. BTW, I still have my twins, on top of my closet, of which my mother always loves to tell the hair raising tale of what she did to acquire them.

Anyhoo, I think the BCV craze is kinda like that. People keep reading on line, researching that they can get any resort, any UY (via Beca, who has done her research!) They think, "what is it about this resort that is different" and kinda find themselves wanting the thing that is hard to get.

DH and I call it the cabbage patch/Ashley Wilkes theory.....

Anyway, I am by no means a business person, or claim to be. But just my observations from over in this part of the world.:sherlock:

[Beca]

With all due respect to Beca, (I always enjoy reading your posts!) I just don't get the BCV is supreme idea.

And, I certainly don't mean to imply that BCV is supreme. I certainly don't think there is a "hierarchy" of resorts. Now that DVC is "tiering" the resorts (by giving a price decrease of HH and VB), I certainly don't think those resorts are any "lesser" resorts, or that SSR is "better" than BWV, BCV, or VWL because DVC lists it's price as higher than those of the sold out resorts. In this case, price does not reflect supremity...just availability. Up until this price change, DVC has had one price for all resorts. I think that their change to "tier" the resorts is not to say that some resorts are better than others, simply in greater demand. Following that pricing theory, it is not inconceiveable to think that the "tiers" might get further differentiated based on demand for the resorts, especially if the CRV becomes a reality, and the price will be pushed to the far extreme end for that resort. I think the scarcity of BCV contracts could mean that BCV could rise in price to near that of CRV, while other more plentiful resorts could not. I also think this rise in price might become a "necessary evil" if DVC wants to continue offering these points to members as add-ons. How awful is it that BCV members are waiting sometimes as long as 13 months for a small add-on, and everyone else can add-on at their home resort with little or no trouble. That really is not fair to BCV owners. If DVC is going to offer the "service" of adding on additional points at their home resort, they need to make that service available to everyone. If they want to say, "We don't deal with the resorts once they are sold out", that is their choice. But, if they offer one resort membership the chance to add-on at their home resort, they need to make reasonable efforts to make that available to all owners. I have owned multiple resorts in the past, and I don't like the restrictions this places on the use of points (i.e. cannot use 6 points from one contract, and 6 points from another to reserve one night). I actually wasted a few points from each resort that year. I also found it very difficult to keep track of. I want all my points at one resort. If owners of other resorts can do this...BCV owners should be able to do this as well.....it should be an "everyone" or "no one" proposition. As someone who is waiting to add-on, I would certainly support paying more for BCV points, if it means that DVC can ROFR more contracts and get me my points in less than one year's time. I would like to think that adding-on at my home resort is something that is not a "pipe dream". Every owner of every other DVC resort has the luxury of knowing they can add-on at their home resort....BCV owners should be afforded the same luxury.

This is not about one resort being supreme to others....but, it is about being fair to the owners of all resorts, not just the ones that are plentiful.

:flowerfor

Beca

[TheTimeshareStore]

Beca- If you want that contract just say the word and we will contact the seller and it's yours! I happen to know it's still available.

Tom

[Beca]

Beca- If you want that contract just say the word and we will contact the seller and it's yours! I happen to know it's still available.

Tom

Thanks, if it was an Aug UY, I might take you up on it. I just heard from my guide that I am in for a LONG wait for my points.

:sailing:

Beca

[TheTimeshareStore]

The thread says it's a Dec. UY. I'll check with Jerry tomorrow to be sure.

Thanks,
Tom

[greenban]

The thread says it's a Dec. UY. I'll check with Jerry tomorrow to be sure.

Thanks,
Tom


Tom, did you say Dec UY?

-Tony

(P.S. Don't tell her but I pay $1.00 more pp than Beca!)

[TheTimeshareStore]

Tony, Yes it is a DEC. use year. You should give Jason a call right now. He's working today until 6pm.

Tom

[mushu]

You can buy resale lower than that thru Disney.

[TheTimeshareStore]

Somebody, please help!!

[TheTimeshareStore]

FYI- We did sell this package for $92pt.

Tom;)