BREAKING: Deep Croaker Speaks About BLT UPDATED

[greenban]

UPDAYED 09/17/2008 So How'd we do?

It took me quite a while to pin down, and force DEEP CROAKER to answer some BLT questions. Sadly, these are not the detailed, in-the-know answers we got for AKV, but they are a start.

DC Says:

BLT sales to start July 1st, 2008 Missed by 12 weeks.
Exisiting DVC Owners to get mailed notice of sales 1 week earlier. Two weeks instead of 1
SSR has Waiting Lists for all UYs except December.
AKV Phase I almost completely sold out.
AKV Phase II June UY sold out.
Treehouse villas are currently part of SSR's holdings. ACE! Right on the money
Big Secrets what's happening with THVs. Maybe stop-gap sales until BLT sales (thus BLT after July 1, or more likely, after BLT sells out in expected 6-9 months!!! Eh. Some right some wrong.
California already considering expansion options. -Studios only at Paradise Pier???
CM DVC Discount will be disappearing entirely within the next 12 months.
Training has not yet begun to sell BLT, and they HATE the name too.
DC expects BLT to be 100% DVC (Unlike gblast123 & my mixed use beliefs) Corred!
Do not expect major incentives, certainly no developer points as we current know(and hate) them! Correct!
No price-per-point or points-per-night chart available yet!I am checking with my other active sources, but I may not have the point charts first this time, ;)

Also, the DVD may be using outside advertising for this sale, so the people with the connection to the printer or advertising group (like the artist's renderings already posted, which are accurate, BTW) may have first crack at the point/price structure.

Sorry for so little.

-Tony

[tomandrobin]

NICE! A Tony-DC exclusive BLT update!

The 6-9 month sellout I am assuming for phase 1, not the whole building.

Any indication when SSR sales incentives will end?

Is phase 2 at AKV all of Kidani Village or just the one half?

Any update on Hawaii ?

Quietly on the side, I have heard July 1st also. But I have no DC connections, just people.

[carolina_yankee]

Thanks for the rumors, Tony. I moved you to DVC News and Rumors, but by posting where you did, you at least guaranteed your info got into the public eye without a moderator having to approve it. Great scoop!

I like the idea of studios at Paradise Pier. I wonder if that's being considered because Disney wants (or plans?) hotel space at Anahaeim Garden Walk??

One question. You posted at 5:30 am. Did you talk to DC in the wee AM hours, or sit in the information for several hours before posting?!! :tsktsk:

[glypnirsgirl]

Wow Tony - That really is a lot. Knowing expected sales start date AND that the whole tower will be DVC.

I have not counted floors lately, but it appears to me to be 14 floors. I sit and look and try to figure out how many windows per unit to try to figure out how many units per floor, but I have no actual idea --- it depends on the mix of units.

Thanks for the news!

Elaine

[greenban]

Thanks for the rumors, Tony. I moved you to DVC News and Rumors, but by posting where you did, you at least guaranteed your info got into the public eye without a moderator having to approve it. Great scoop! Guilty as charged. I hope my bending the rules doesn't cause me too many problems, but I'm a relatively proven rumour monger, except the no name change, which I clearly disclaimered in said post

I like the idea of studios at Paradise Pier. I wonder if that's being considered because Disney wants (or plans?) hotel space at Anahaeim Garden Walk??

Grin, I have heard that is where additional villas will be added, but not from DC

One question. You posted at 5:30 am. Did you talk to DC in the wee AM hours, or sit in the information for several hours before posting?!! :tsktsk:

Again Kudos for your insight. I first got this info yesterday afternoon, and confirmed it with DC last evening. I was actually too busy in my RW life to post last night ;)

-Tony

[CRSNDSNY]

THV? :headscrat

[Plutofan2]

Thanks for the scoop like always.

[tomandrobin]

THV? :headscrat

Tree House Villas

[Blue&Gold]

THV? :headscrat

Tree House Villas

[Blue&Gold]

I was actually too busy in my RW life to post last night ;)

-Tony

You have a Real World life?

[cheapmom]

Thanks Tony- I can't wait - I am so :hyper: excited!!! :hyper:I sure hope I can afford some points- if the price per point and the points chart are agreeable with my budget I am in!:fingerscr

[KrisRunsDisney]

Any incentive updates? I'm fine buying at AKV but I'd like to have incentive pts, even if they are developer points. We'll take whatever we can get. We may needto do this sooner than we thought. I have a feeling BLT will cause a bit of a rush to buy any DVC.

[ghost1000]

I really wish they would rename the new Contemporary resort again. Every time I see BLT, I think of bacon, lettuce, and tomato.

[CRSNDSNY]

Thanks for the THV explanation! :yummy:

[OttawaWendy]

It took me quite a while to pin down, and force DEEP CROAKER to answer some BLT questions. Sadly, these are not the detailed, in-the-know answers we got for AKV, but they are a start.

DC Says:


[LIST]
SSR has Waiting Lists for all UYs except December.

So this means SSR is sold out except possibly for a few December UY contracts? That seems faster than expected.

Treehouse villas are currently part of SSR's holdings.

I wonder if this means anything in the long run.



All this information is pretty interesting. I can't afford to add on or do anything else so for me, as an SSR owner, the most interesting stuff is the THV information. I'd love to have them be added to SSR. Any idea how many total units this would be.

[OttawaWendy]

California already considering expansion options. -Studios only at Paradise Pier???

The one thought I have about this is that I noticed, in Florida, there is a fee in our maintenance costs that goes to the state, and is a flat rate based on the number of units. By building two-bedrooms that are lock-offs, they get multiple units in the practical sense, but lower this particular fee (the 2 bdrm lock-offs are one unit for this tax).

I have no idea whether anything similar exists in California, and I don't know whether this is even a significant consideration in their planning.

[cheapmom]

The one thought I have about this is that I noticed, in Florida, there is a fee in our maintenance costs that goes to the state, and is a flat rate based on the number of units. By building two-bedrooms that are lock-offs, they get multiple units in the practical sense, but lower this particular fee (the 2 bdrm lock-offs are one unit for this tax).

I have no idea whether anything similar exists in California, and I don't know whether this is even a significant consideration in their planning.
Are you talking about property taxes? I was told that they are calculated into the MFs per point- ie: They divide the entire property tax bill (owners portion) by the resort's total number of points and charge that $ on each point to the owner. This is simplified- but I think that is the big picture-

[minniekissedme]

It took me quite a while to pin down, and force DEEP CROAKER to answer some BLT questions. Sadly, these are not the detailed, in-the-know answers we got for AKV, but they are a start.

DC Says:


SSR has Waiting Lists for all UYs except December.


This one I find interesting...in recent posts in various forums, Disney seems to be passing on SSR resale purchases across the board. If they indeed have wait lists, wouldn't it make sense they would be exercising their ROFR on SSR contracts more often?

[Blue&Gold]

This one I find interesting...in recent posts in various forums, Disney seems to be passing on SSR resale purchases across the board. If they indeed have wait lists, wouldn't it make sense they would be exercising their ROFR on SSR contracts more often?

Depends on what they've decide the "break point" is wrt the administrative/legal costs of ROFRing and reselling... Particularly since they don't charge closing on add-ons. This could add several dollars per point for the smaller contracts.

[cheapmom]

This one I find interesting...in recent posts in various forums, Disney seems to be passing on SSR resale purchases across the board. If they indeed have wait lists, wouldn't it make sense they would be exercising their ROFR on SSR contracts more often?
Maybe they are just too busy right now to deal with bringing in A lot of inventory- perhaps this is a great time to make some seriously lowball offers on resales. On the Dis a guy just passed ROFR on a completely loaded AKV contaract- sellers are paying all closing and MFS on all 07 AND 08 points- for $81.25. That is pretty dang low.

[Blue&Gold]

Tony... Any info from DC on occupancy timelines. Great to know when it will be on sale, but when we folks be able to actually stay there?

[RweTHEREyet]

I really wish they would rename the new Contemporary resort again. Every time I see BLT, I think of bacon, lettuce, and tomato.

But shouldn't the BLT be right next to the Toaster Hotel?

[Blue&Gold]

Sandwich Tower... Not BLT.

[OttawaWendy]

Are you talking about property taxes? I was told that they are calculated into the MFs per point- ie: They divide the entire property tax bill (owners portion) by the resort's total number of points and charge that $ on each point to the owner. This is simplified- but I think that is the big picture-

I think what I'm talking about was more a fee from Florida for regulation of the timeshare industry. It was a flat fee from Florida to DVD (or some other corporate entity - my mind numbs when the details get too complicated) based on the number of units. The total bill was reduced from what it might have been because the two-bedroom lock-offs were counted as one unit (not as a 1 bedroom plus a studio).

That total bill, of course, is part of the entire budget for each resort, and then apportioned to members based on total points.

I don't know if this is a significant enough cost that DVD actually designs to minimize this cost (i.e. by building lock-offs instead of dedicated 1 bedrooms or dedicated studios). I also don't know whether California has a similar fee, or even if it is calculated the same way. (So there are a lot of "ifs" in my post). I was simply wondering if a resort full of studios might (if all "ifs" are true) have some greater base costs.

[RweTHEREyet]

Can someone point me in the direction of the Contemporary floor plans? I thought I had seen a really nice clear one, and now I am not sure where it was. I tracked down the ones for the THV, but also want to refresh my memory about the BLT.

[doombuggy]

It took me quite a while to pin down, and force DEEP CROAKER to answer some BLT questions. Sadly, these are not the detailed, in-the-know answers we got for AKV, but they are a start.

DC Says:

BLT sales to start July 1st, 2008
Exisiting DVC Owners to get mailed notice of sales 1 week earlier.
SSR has Waiting Lists for all UYs except December.
AKV Phase I almost completely sold out.
AKV Phase II June UY sold out.
Treehouse villas are currently part of SSR's holdings.
Big Secrets what's happening with THVs. Maybe stop-gap sales until BLT sales (thus BLT after July 1, or more likely, after BLT sells out in expected 6-9 months!!!
California already considering expansion options. -Studios only at Paradise Pier???
CM DVC Discount will be disappearing entirely within the next 12 months.
Training has not yet begun to sell BLT, and they HATE the name too.
DC expects BLT to be 100% DVC (Unlike gblast123 & my mixed use beliefs)
Do not expect major incentives, certainly no developer points as we current know(and hate) them!
No price-per-point or points-per-night chart available yet!I am checking with my other active sources, but I may not have the point charts first this time, ;)

Also, the DVD may be using outside advertising for this sale, so the people with the connection to the printer or advertising group (like the artist's renderings already posted, which are accurate, BTW) may have first crack at the point/price structure.

Sorry for so little.

-Tony

While most of this sounds good, there is one point that does not sit well with me. And if that is the case, this DVC member will not be buying anymore b/c my employer doesn't pay me enough! :hahahaha:

We'll have to see how the economy goes. "Should I buy an add-on or fill my car up with gas?"

[RweTHEREyet]

O.K., just got off the phone with my Guide, Michael Cramer, Hello Michael if you are reading. I didn't learn anything new, but I did get my name added to the list of having interest in "future" resorts.

We also talked a bit about THV, and he said he had heard more about the first resort I had mentioned, but he could neither confirm nor deny anything. Sure would love to pick his brain for anything he has heard. He did share that they are aware that SSR is not looked upon as a "destination" resort and they are figuring out what they might be able to do about that, one thing involved exanding the main feature pool into more of a water park like area. Don't get me wrong, he did not say this was happening, just that they were exploring options.

Frankly, I enjoy SSR, but if there is a BLT, I will buy it, and I just don't need more points, so I would probably be selling something.

[pycees312]

woo hoo.. Thanks for the info... no wonder they had such good incentives at the member reception clearing the way for Contemporary.

[2nd Star]

Thanks for the info...I hope DH says yes. :fingerscr

[DVC Mike]

I have my DVC guide's phone number on speed dial -- all ready to add-on once it's announced. I don't really care what the point chart and point cost will be (I think they will both be fairly reasonable), as that will just influence how many points I buy.

[dvcnewgirl]

Thanks for the info. Am I the only one more excited about the THV news thann the BLT news?..:headscrat. I cant wait for the treehouses to open back up!!:cheerlead

[ghost1000]

I'm not excited about the BLT new either. While I'm not opposed to staying there once or twice, I'm not interested in buying there. And I expect the points to be pretty high (the point cost for staying there, not the per point cost), especially for Magic Kingdom view.

[carolina_yankee]

While most of this sounds good, there is one point that does not sit well with me. And if that is the case, this DVC member will not be buying anymore b/c my employer doesn't pay me enough! :hahahaha:

We'll have to see how the economy goes. "Should I buy an add-on or fill my car up with gas?"

At least a DVC add-on comes with Disney transportation. ;)

Dirk

[carolina_yankee]

Can someone point me in the direction of the Contemporary floor plans? I thought I had seen a really nice clear one, and now I am not sure where it was. I tracked down the ones for the THV, but also want to refresh my memory about the BLT.

Here's a run down complete with room and site plans, since we were the first forum to break the story:

http://www.mouseowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13511

Dirk

[OttawaWendy]

I'm not excited about the BLT new either. While I'm not opposed to staying there once or twice, I'm not interested in buying there. And I expect the points to be pretty high (the point cost for staying there, not the per point cost), especially for Magic Kingdom view.

:iagree:

This expresses my feelings exactly. I want to stay everywhere at least once, but BLT (even apart from the sandwich-y name) doesn't seem destined to be a high repeat resort for us. I just find the Contemporary's theme to be boring. Maybe its because I stay in a lot of hotels for business travel, so "modern" as a theme doesn't do it for me. If we want to be close to MK, we will likely choose VWL (which I love) or, if it comes to pass, a Poly DVC.

[OttawaWendy]

OK, I've looked at the plans on the referred-to thread, and I have what may be a stupid question: is the tower going to be only one unit "thick", or is there going to be a central hallway with units on both sides?

All the drawings have the units drawn so that the entrance is on the inside of the curve (i.e. the unit is on the outside of the curve). Wouldn't there need to be a different floorplan (especially given the rate of curve) for the units on the inside of the curve. They would have diminished space so there would presumably be fewer units per floor on the inside of the curve, as well as a different floor-plan.

If the answer is that the tower is only one unit "thick" with an exterior hall on the Bay Lake side (the inside of the curve), is this allowed for a building that is as tall as this will be?

[KyleRayner]

If I can afford it, I really want to purchase an add-on at BLT. I have a question for the forum. This will be my first DVC purchase at a brand new resort. I purchased my OKW contract via resale. How does it work regarding the UY. Can you tell them what UY you want? My existing contract at OKW has a UY of Sept so I would like my BLT contract to be the same if not very close to that.

[greenban]

I have my DVC guide's phone number on speed dial -- all ready to add-on once it's announced. I don't really care what the point chart and point cost will be (I think they will both be fairly reasonable), as that will just influence how many points I buy.

Ditto!!!!

-Tony

[greenban]

If I can afford it, I really want to purchase an add-on at BLT. I have a question for the forum. This will be my first DVC purchase at a brand new resort. I purchased my OKW contract via resale. How does it work regarding the UY. Can you tell them what UY you want? My existing contract at OKW has a UY of Sept so I would like my BLT contract to be the same if not very close to that.

As long as the UY you want (Sept. in this case, a very good UY IMHO) is available, then yes DVC will do an add-on. You must tell your MS-Guide at the time of purchase. An advantage if an add-on you can add 25 points if paying in full or 50 if financing. I'm gonna get 5 -50s and 10-25s for BLT. (I plan to flip the 25s for profit!)

Bwahahahahahahahhahahaha!

-Tony

[KyleRayner]

As long as the UY you want (Sept. in this case, a very good UY IMHO) is available, then yes DVC will do an add-on. You must tell your MS-Guide at the time of purchase. An advantage if an add-on you can add 25 points if paying in full or 50 if financing. I'm gonna get 5 -50s and 10-25s for BLT. (I plan to flip the 25s for profit!)

Bwahahahahahahahhahahaha!

-Tony

Thanks for the info! If I do this add-on, it will definitely be financed. Without any point charts available or knowing what the price per point will be, I was thinking of buying 100 points. Wondering what kind of ressie that will get me (e.g studio, 1BDR, etc.) I usually go to WDW off-season like October or within the first 2 weeks of December.

[carolina_yankee]

OK, I've looked at the plans on the referred-to thread, and I have what may be a stupid question: is the tower going to be only one unit "thick", or is there going to be a central hallway with units on both sides?

All the drawings have the units drawn so that the entrance is on the inside of the curve (i.e. the unit is on the outside of the curve). Wouldn't there need to be a different floorplan (especially given the rate of curve) for the units on the inside of the curve. They would have diminished space so there would presumably be fewer units per floor on the inside of the curve, as well as a different floor-plan.

If the answer is that the tower is only one unit "thick" with an exterior hall on the Bay Lake side (the inside of the curve), is this allowed for a building that is as tall as this will be?

That's a good question. If you look at this enlargement (http://mouseowners.com/images/KTRSurvey.jpg), I think all the units might face outward rather than a mix of outward and inward. I think the corridor would still be interior, though - but with window views of Bay Lake.

There's full list of documents in this post (http://www.mouseowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=137248&postcount=52) of the thread I referenced. The floorplan document (http://www.carolinayankee.net/parking/11_KTR_FloorPlan.pdf) (.pdf file) seems to indicate only the shape you studied.

Dirk

[lenshanem]

We're in! :woohoodan

Sooo, should I call my guide and tell him to call me when they get word or just call him myself when they go on sale?

BTW, hi to KyleRayner! I know you! :)

[KyleRayner]

We're in! :woohoodan

Sooo, should I call my guide and tell him to call me when they get word or just call him myself when they go on sale?

BTW, hi to KyleRayner! I know you! :)

Hi to my Disney MySpace buddy!!! :howudoin:

[RweTHEREyet]

Once they go on sale, you might have a hard time getting ahold of your Guide, as I expect they are going to be very, very busy. I would make sure that he has your name on his list and knows that you are definitely going to purchase, if in fact you are.

[BWV Dreamin]

Can someome please educate me about why the BLT is such a big deal? Is it proximity to Magic Kingdome (there is already VWL), is it to be more luxurios? What does the monorail provide other than access to MK and Epcot? I feel like I am missing something. I haven't stayed there, I don't know why I am not even remotely interested. Can someone shed some light here? All I am seeing is one really big regular hotel that has ALOT of floors.:scratchch

[RweTHEREyet]

:iagree:

This expresses my feelings exactly. I want to stay everywhere at least once, but BLT (even apart from the sandwich-y name) doesn't seem destined to be a high repeat resort for us. I just find the Contemporary's theme to be boring. Maybe its because I stay in a lot of hotels for business travel, so "modern" as a theme doesn't do it for me. If we want to be close to MK, we will likely choose VWL (which I love) or, if it comes to pass, a Poly DVC.

I don't think either of you will have to worry about that for a while, because I think that it will be as hard to get into BLT as it is to get into the BCV. jmho, but I do think to stay there, at least for the first year, you really are going to need to have it as a Home Resort.

[RweTHEREyet]

Can someome please educate me about why the BLT is such a big deal? Is it proximity to Magic Kingdome (there is already VWL), is it to be more luxurios? What does the monorail provide other than access to MK and Epcot? I feel like I am missing something. I haven't stayed there, I don't know why I am not even remotely interested. Can someone shed some light here? All I am seeing is one really big regular hotel that has ALOT of floors.:scratchch


proximity to MK is not a fair statement--how about a view of the MK and being within walking distance of the MK, as well as monorail transportation that gives you easy access to two other Deluxe resorts for dining. Can you imagine watching Wishes in your jammies? Those things do it for me, but I guess I am really glad that it doesn't appeal to everyone.

[wombat94]

That's a good question. If you look at this enlargement (http://mouseowners.com/images/KTRSurvey.jpg), I think all the units might face outward rather than a mix of outward and inward. I think the corridor would still be interior, though - but with window views of Bay Lake.

There's full list of documents in this post (http://www.mouseowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=137248&postcount=52) of the thread I referenced. The floorplan document (http://www.carolinayankee.net/parking/11_KTR_FloorPlan.pdf) (.pdf file) seems to indicate only the shape you studied.

Dirk

Looking at the siteplan document, and assuming it is drawn to scale (or reasonable close) I think it is safe to say that the rooms only occupy the "outer arc" sice of the tower. If the parking spaces are normal size (using them as an easy reference for size) then there's no way that the building is two rows of units "thick".

It looks on the site plan to me as if the outer arc will have the guest rooms and the inner arc is going to just have an access corridor to the rooms - with possibly (likely?) windows that look onto the courtyard/bay lake - but those windows would be more architectural in nature (when viewing the tower from the pool area) rather than for the benefit of guests in the building.

One interesting thing about this design (bringing to mind fond memories of Richyams) is that it reduces the long walks in the corridor (a la BWV) since the corridor is on the shorter inner arc.

(Geeky reference here - the original Cray supercomputers back in the 70s and early 80s were designed in a fashion similar to the BLT. The "backplane" that joined the printed circuit boards was made to be a circular shape in order to reduce the length of wire that had to be traversed by the electrical impulses passing back and forth inside of the computer.) If you're interested, this wikipedia article has a picture of the Cray-2 which does bear some resemblance to the BLT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cray_supercomputer

Ted

[JimP]

:iagree:

This expresses my feelings exactly. I want to stay everywhere at least once, but BLT (even apart from the sandwich-y name) doesn't seem destined to be a high repeat resort for us. I just find the Contemporary's theme to be boring. Maybe its because I stay in a lot of hotels for business travel, so "modern" as a theme doesn't do it for me. If we want to be close to MK, we will likely choose VWL (which I love) or, if it comes to pass, a Poly DVC.

Largely I agree with you. I am still on the fence if I would like an add-on at BLT... but I really doubt that it would be long term favorite. Regarding your section in bold above... It is not really even modern... but more "retro"... or yesterday's version of tomorrow.

Can someome please educate me about why the BLT is such a big deal? Is it proximity to Magic Kingdome (there is already VWL), is it to be more luxurios? What does the monorail provide other than access to MK and Epcot? I feel like I am missing something. I haven't stayed there, I don't know why I am not even remotely interested. Can someone shed some light here? All I am seeing is one really big regular hotel that has ALOT of floors.:scratchch

We stayed at the Contemporary one time, one night, top floor, overlooking MK. For many years following, I could have stayed there at the same (deeply discounted) price that I had available at many WDW premium hotels. We always chose Y&BC instead... which is a tell tale sign that we like the Epcot resort area as our #1 location. This fact alone makes me question if I want to add on at BLT.

/Jim

[CarolA]

As long as the UY you want (Sept. in this case, a very good UY IMHO) is available, then yes DVC will do an add-on. You must tell your MS-Guide at the time of purchase. An advantage if an add-on you can add 25 points if paying in full or 50 if financing. I'm gonna get 5 -50s and 10-25s for BLT. (I plan to flip the 25s for profit!)

Bwahahahahahahahhahahaha!

-Tony


Well heck, I was thinking "NO WAY" on this one, but maybe I should follow your lead and flip some 25 pointers. (I am not buying and don't really care if I stay there. The park I spend the LEAST time in is MK.... this one has no appeal!)

(The only profit I have really made on DVC was selling my 50 point contracts LOL!)

(And before you start screaming at me, it was his idea and I am not really likely to do it. I can't afford 10 25's to flip and one is not going to make enough money to get excited about! LOL!)

[JimP]

Well heck, I was thinking "NO WAY" on this one, but maybe I should follow your lead and flip some 25 pointers. (I am not buying and don't really care if I stay there. The park I spend the LEAST time in is MK.... this one has no appeal!)

(The only profit I have really made on DVC was selling my 50 point contracts LOL!)

(And before you start screaming at me, it was his idea and I am not really likely to do it. I can't afford 10 25's to flip and one is not going to make enough money to get excited about! LOL!)

Carol and Tony: Is there a significant "desireability difference" between 25 and 50 point contracts on the resale market? Is one easier to flip than the other?

/Jim

[CarolA]

Carol and Tony: Is there a significant "desireability difference" between 25 and 50 point contracts on the resale market? Is one easier to flip than the other?

/Jim

I have never had a 25 point and I don't think I have "flipped" my 50 points. (I owned them for years! LOL!)

However, I can say that I have sold a 100 point and a 50 point at OKW and the 50point sold for more money and in 2 hours. I also sold a 50 point at HH for the top of that market and it was listed for less then a day. (That broker wasn't quick on getting back to me...I have no idea WHEN it sold, the day after it listed I got a docment to sign saying "here's the deal" Not exactly great communication, but...)

[greenban]

Carol and Tony: Is there a significant "desireability difference" between 25 and 50 point contracts on the resale market? Is one easier to flip than the other?

/Jim

I personally would favor a 50.

But for a select group, the 25 might be better.

I'm actually getting 10 - 50s for BLT. I was kidding about flipping 25s.

I got 5 -50s for AKV, and liked the resort so much, that I kept them all. The same will probaly hold true for BLT. Else renting them at $16pp will make more moola-schmoola then flipping them, unless I strip 'em too.

I'm sure the DVD Police won't be happy either way.

-Tony

[burcs]

Carol and Tony: Is there a significant "desireability difference" between 25 and 50 point contracts on the resale market? Is one easier to flip than the other?

/Jim

not carol nor tony, but on the resale market two 25 point contracts may be combined into one 50 point contract provided certain details (e.g. UY) are met. so if you are a buyer/potential seller it does give more flexibility.

from the perspective of a buyer of a resale contract, if you combine 2 or more contracts you get a break on closing costs (at least from one of the resell agents); my assumption is that there would be a similar break for the seller.

i think combined contracts always have to come from the same seller.

if i were to ever add on, i would always add on in units of minimum increments.

[OttawaWendy]

I don't think either of you will have to worry about that for a while, because I think that it will be as hard to get into BLT as it is to get into the BCV. jmho, but I do think to stay there, at least for the first year, you really are going to need to have it as a Home Resort.

I totally accept this. I know the whole world seems to be excited about this so I'll just wait until it all quiets down some. We do tend to come at low times so we've been able to stay at most resorts so far. We also don't have kids so we're willing to split stay to get variety. So we'll get in eventually but I do agree that the owners will book it up solid for a little while.

It looks on the site plan to me as if the outer arc will have the guest rooms and the inner arc is going to just have an access corridor to the rooms - with possibly (likely?) windows that look onto the courtyard/bay lake - but those windows would be more architectural in nature (when viewing the tower from the pool area) rather than for the benefit of guests in the building.

Why wouldn't the windows be for the benefit of the guests walking down that corridor. I would think that panoramic windows on one side of a hallway would be an amazing feature.

One interesting thing about this design (bringing to mind fond memories of Richyams) is that it reduces the long walks in the corridor (a la BWV) since the corridor is on the shorter inner arc.

Yes, this appeals. I'm not a big fan of long hallway walks, although if there were serious windows beside me, it wouldn't seem bad.

I got 5 -50s for AKV, and liked the resort so much, that I kept them all. The same will probaly hold true for BLT. Else renting them at $16pp will make more moola-schmoola then flipping them, unless I strip 'em too.

I'm sure the DVD Police won't be happy either way.

-Tony

Yeah, I was thinking you better be wary. :sherlock:

Seriously, do you really find that this is a worthwhile financial investment? You can make a reasonable return on investment by renting or by flipping contracts?

[tomandrobin]

All this talk about adding on at BLT and I can think about is how I can add more points at SSR before the incentive goes away. :worried:

We really do like SSR and I would like to increase the number of points we own at the resort. I do not want to pay full price per point. When I do the math, the 100 point add-on is still a better deal then buying resale.

As far as BLT, I keep going back and forth and right now I am in the not buying phase. Plus, after the AKV release, I am still not happy about that deal.

[Starr W.]

proximity to MK is not a fair statement--how about a view of the MK and being within walking distance of the MK, as well as monorail transportation that gives you easy access to two other Deluxe resorts for dining. Can you imagine watching Wishes in your jammies? Those things do it for me, but I guess I am really glad that it doesn't appeal to everyone.

That pretty much explains our view on the Big Sandwich(our new name for BLT at home).

[Starr W.]

All this talk about adding on at BLT and I can think about is how I can add more points at SSR before the incentive goes away. :worried:

We really do like SSR and I would like to increase the number of points we own at the resort. I do not want to pay full price per point. When I do the math, the 100 point add-on is still a better deal then buying resale.

As far as BLT, I keep going back and forth and right now I am in the not buying phase. Plus, after the AKV release, I am still not happy about that deal.

I watched the AKV release and it was done rather un-Disney like IMHO. That's what bothers us about jumping in head first with BLT. I'll probably have some sort of yea or nay after next week when DH stays in a Marriott for the first time.

[JimP]

if i were to ever add on, i would always add on in units of minimum increments.

While I agree with this general advice... I am trying to determine if 25 pt contracts are really better than 50 point contracts. At some point... "small is small". In other words... if DVC allowed 1 pt contracts... would you really bother with 500 1 pt contracts rather than ten 50's... or twenty 25's?

I suspect that 50s are as avaluable as 25s... but I am deffering the the great Tony and great Dave... since they have more experience than me.

/Jim (proud owner of eight 50's at BWV)

[rnawiz]

:bowdown:

Thank you Tony!!
So sad not to have (unblocked) internet at work!
But worth the wait today, that's for sure.
I:beatinghe Deep Croaker!

[mndl]

I was so sure that we wanted to buy resale BCV, but oh this does tempt me. I guess I'll have to do the DVC tour in Nov and see the model rooms. It shouldn't be sold out by then right:hyper:

[Daitcher]

This one I find interesting...in recent posts in various forums, Disney seems to be passing on SSR resale purchases across the board. If they indeed have wait lists, wouldn't it make sense they would be exercising their ROFR on SSR contracts more often?


They want to be done with SSR. It has been selling for 6 plus years. Has it been a success? Yes, but they are moving on to greener pastures so to speak.


DAVE

[wombat94]

Why wouldn't the windows be for the benefit of the guests walking down that corridor. I would think that panoramic windows on one side of a hallway would be an amazing feature.



I agreee... I meant to say that they are not for the benefit of specific guest rooms... in this case, they are still more an achitectural function than a practical one, but the view of the courtyard and of Bay lake from the "inside" will be great.

[Daitcher]

I'm sure the DVD Police won't be happy either way.

-Tony



You can bet on that. You can also bet that a silent group here and the "other" boards aren't happy about owners "maximizing there profits" either. Renting might as well be a four letter word to these folks.

Congratulations on your soon to be purchase. Where will that leave you on the point count?

Also, thanks for the updates. I better get making my "I love SSR" shirt...........



DAVE

[Daitcher]

Can someome please educate me about why the BLT is such a big deal? Is it proximity to Magic Kingdome (there is already VWL), is it to be more luxurios? What does the monorail provide other than access to MK and Epcot? I feel like I am missing something. I haven't stayed there, I don't know why I am not even remotely interested. Can someone shed some light here? All I am seeing is one really big regular hotel that has ALOT of floors.:scratchch



Nothing Disney does excites me anymore. Show me some service or they will not get any money from me going forward.

BUT, this resort has a prime location and will be connected to a hotel. Those two factors have led to higher resale prices in the past with BCV. I'd expect the same with CRV. I'm not buying anything they sell anymore but if I was going to buy in I'd be ready for CRV. Direct access to MK is a feature many would pay extra for and do, staying at GF and Poly. I think we'll see slightly higher rental rates there and long term higher resale prices there as well.

That is the appeal, IMO, not what DVC is going to do differently. It will be business as usual in that regard, no service, bad use of square footeg, etc. with them charging top dollar.


DAVE

[burcs]

While I agree with this general advice... I am trying to determine if 25 pt contracts are really better than 50 point contracts. At some point... "small is small". In other words... if DVC allowed 1 pt contracts... would you really bother with 500 1 pt contracts rather than ten 50's... or twenty 25's?

I suspect that 50s are as avaluable as 25s... but I am deffering the the great Tony and great Dave... since they have more experience than me.

/Jim (proud owner of eight 50's at BWV)

ok, i see your point. and no, i wouldn't buy a 1 point contract, so i'll have to rescind my statement should disney ever lower the minimum to that amount.

in general, with banking and borrowing, 25 points can get you a week. while the market for people who can (or will) only afford 25 points might not be large, it's still a market that a larger contract prices out. on that basis, i would say it is more valuable. whether it is too small potatoes for big guns to bother with is a separate matter.

[Daitcher]

He did share that they are aware that SSR is not looked upon as a "destination" resort and they are figuring out what they might be able to do about that, one thing involved exanding the main feature pool into more of a water park like area. Don't get me wrong, he did not say this was happening, just that they were exploring options.



Very interesting.......:slyasafox



DAVE

[dianeschlicht]

I'm not excited about the BLT new either. While I'm not opposed to staying there once or twice, I'm not interested in buying there. And I expect the points to be pretty high (the point cost for staying there, not the per point cost), especially for Magic Kingdom view.

I'm not excited about it either, and I probably wont even be interested in staying there.

[dianeschlicht]

Carol and Tony: Is there a significant "desireability difference" between 25 and 50 point contracts on the resale market? Is one easier to flip than the other?

/Jim

Rather than looking at it as 25 or 50 points, why not look at what a week's stay in a unit size of your choosing would cost point wise and then divide by two or three to get your add-on? We flet that worked well for us at AKV. We added on 69 points for an every 3rd year ressie.

[JimP]

Rather than looking at it as 25 or 50 points, why not look at what a week's stay in a unit size of your choosing would cost point wise and then divide by two or three to get your add-on? We flet that worked well for us at AKV. We added on 69 points for an every 3rd year ressie.

That method works... but often times, during the life of our contracts, I think our unit needs change. If you know exactly how many points you will need... this is probably the very best way to plan vacations every 3 years.

/Jim

[greenban]

I totally accept this. I know the whole world seems to be excited about this so I'll just wait until it all quiets down some. We do tend to come at low times so we've been able to stay at most resorts so far. We also don't have kids so we're willing to split stay to get variety. So we'll get in eventually but I do agree that the owners will book it up solid for a little while.



Why wouldn't the windows be for the benefit of the guests walking down that corridor. I would think that panoramic windows on one side of a hallway would be an amazing feature.



Yes, this appeals. I'm not a big fan of long hallway walks, although if there were serious windows beside me, it wouldn't seem bad.



Yeah, I was thinking you better be wary. :sherlock:

Seriously, do you really find that this is a worthwhile financial investment? You can make a reasonable return on investment by renting or by flipping contracts?

I rent at $14.00 per point. You do the math!

The last resale I did was OKW at $67.13 per point (last year) and that past ROFR when the average OKW was high $70s.... And yes there were banked points too.

So...(This is from memory, some #'s may be wrong....

300 Current UY, 240 Bank = 540 X $13.50 (Last year's average) = $7,290.00. No MFs for those points <grin>, my 2008 points rented at $14.00 = $4,200.00, so I grossed $11,490.00 (less MFs billed NEXT year) $4.65 (approx) X 300 = $1,395.00

Net rental = $10,095.00. Now there were closing costs (less than $500.00) IIRC.

If I sell in 2009, could get $74pp. Less commish, $66 per point, so I loose about $300.00.

My net profit in 2 years is about $9,000.00 on a $21,000.00 investment. Not to bad. If I wanted to maximize, sell my stripped, buy a loaded (I am a frog, I can wait patiently until the right contract flies infront of me, and ZAP, my tongue shoots out and grabs the prize!) And do it all over again.

But, since I'm gonna retire there, I'll just keep my points thank you.

Now go back to the 120 SSR contracts of 3 or so years ago. 100 Developer Points, Current UY points w/o MFs, Next UY comming in, rent those babies out, and sell it you are way ahead. I also got free MFs for another 120 SSR incentive with DP as well. No loose transaction. I kept the contracts anyway. I have not yet sold a single contract. But if the DVD Police continue their fascist ways, I'll unload them all, and walk away ahead of my purchase price on all of them (except my 1156 pointer).

-Tony

[Mary]

Hi All, This is very interesting information. I do not think that we will add on as DD is starting private college in the Fall. If it was at the Poly, I would be very tempted to tell her college is not for everyone. When we first added on w/ VWL we bought only 35 pts. I figured that was a studio for 5 nights every other year. It didn't end up being enough points as I truly love it there so we did add more later on (at a higher cost). I don't understand why most points I see are in increments of 25. Is there an advantage that I am missing? Also please what does IMHO mean? It is getting me crazy trying to figure it out. Another ques--if you add on through an outside company (such as DVC by resale) do we pay closing fees? I've only added on through Disney. One more thing--Welcome Kyle and we live in the same town, but I am in the Park part. Mary

[RweTHEREyet]

One more thing my Guide said today was that SSR would totally sell out by the end of this week or the beginning of next week (which I think is what Tony was alluding to about the waitlist for all UY except December) -- he said things were really hopping and that "now is a great time to be in the DVC business."

[diva452]

We watched the treehouse villas get torn down last week. If fact the bellman who took our bags for checkout didnt even know it was happening until we both stood there in awe and watched the destruction!!!!!!!!!!!! I dont know the background on why but we saw it with our own eyes....and ears for that matter, it was pretty loud.

BLT does nothing for me either. If I were to stay near MK it would be at GF on points, even though it's not cost effective, sometimes I just want to stay at a Disney fascimile of a famous resort that is actually only 1.5 hours from my house. I want to sit in the same seats in the bar that John and Rebecca Stamos sat in right before they separated and be served by a James Woods look alike bartender
:cheers2: and listen to that nice jazz band that plays. :rockband:

Oh, and I love to watch all the brides get in that carriage. I have urges to hijack it and ride around the resort sometimes........:bitemylip

[RweTHEREyet]

Mary--

IMHO---in my humble opinion

[I'mNoPrince]

Tony Great info.

When I leave MD for Central Fl in a few years ( DD finishes HS) I will be a source for you if you get me a cool code name.

I work for a Hugh Document Company on their premier lines so I'm in all sorts of places that do these type of Outsorced ( even in house) printing needs.

[harmrose22]

Thanks for the info Tony!

I am so on the fence about this right now. There are certainly things I LOVE about the idea of BLT (besides the bacon!) like the being able to watch the fireworks in my pjs.... I hadn't thought of that but that sounds awesome! I think I am going to wait until we are in the world in September and swing by to see the models and have a chat with our guide.

As a side note, we are thinking about adding on either way... someone posted about SSR and ROFR being waived. How has this affected the other resorts? If we did a resale, it would not be SSR. Thanks!

[lenshanem]

Walking from BCV to Epcot is awesome, walking to MK even better! Location, location, location!

So we should definitely do two 50 point contracts as opposed to one 100 point contract?

[Daitcher]

Walking from BCV to Epcot is awesome, walking to MK even better! Location, location, location!

So we should definitely do two 50 point contracts as opposed to one 100 point contract?


Absolutely! Those 50 pointers will sell quick resale. They will also bring in a higher price per point.



DAVE

[lenshanem]

OK. I just feel like we have all these little contracts. If we ever needed to sell them is it gonna be a pain? Right now we have two at BCV and two at VWL...

Will DVC treat the two contracts as one when they are selling them to me as far as any incentives (hopefully) they might have, etc.?

[XPhillip]

So, sales start on July 1st. Only 4 weeks to get it all together for a purchase! Hopefully BLT will last 6-9 months and I will get it all together before then.

[CarolA]

OK. I just feel like we have all these little contracts. If we ever needed to sell them is it gonna be a pain? Right now we have two at BCV and two at VWL...

Will DVC treat the two contracts as one when they are selling them to me as far as any incentives (hopefully) they might have, etc.?

I split up my AKV purchase into small numbers and still got the incentives..

Thank goodness I get to sit this one out... Walking to MK.. I never go there so that's not a draw LOL!

[jjlovecub]

I'm such a sucker! I have been wanting to purchase DVC for over a year now. I almost bought when I heard about BLT. Now I am holding out and probably will buy more points then I would have elsewhere. But hey I know it is what I want and with a 3yr old and a new baby it will be perfect for many years to come. So I will end up paying more but I will be happy:goodvibes By the way I am relatively new to these boards so can someone tell me what a DH is?? Thanks!

[Grandbuddy]

I'm such a sucker! I have been wanting to purchase DVC for over a year now. I almost bought when I heard about BLT. Now I am holding out and probably will buy more points then I would have elsewhere. But hey I know it is what I want and with a 3yr old and a new baby it will be perfect for many years to come. So I will end up paying more but I will be happy:goodvibes By the way I am relatively new to these boards so can someone tell me what a DH is?? Thanks!

Go with the relationship

"Disney Husband" = DH

"Disney Granddaughter" = DGD

[greenban]

Tony Great info.

When I leave MD for Central Fl in a few years ( DD finishes HS) I will be a source for you if you get me a cool code name.

I work for a Hugh Document Company on their premier lines so I'm in all sorts of places that do these type of Outsorced ( even in house) printing needs.

Working on a cool code name right now!!!!

-Tony

[mountainjourno]

I always thought DH was "Darling Husband" (and ditto for the first "d" in the other relationships)

[ellie]

After months of listening to you all and learning all I can and WAITING, I have recently made the move and started the ball rolling on one of those little 25 point contracts where I want to stay. (Hint: there's a water park!)

Does that mean that I will automatically get info regarding BLT?? WooHoo! This is exactly what I was hoping! Here's hoping that ROFR and estoppell go fast!!

Anybody wanna wish me luck??

:hahahaha:

[I'mNoPrince]

I always thought DH was "Darling Husband" (and ditto for the first "d" in the other relationships)

Most other boards the D stands for Darling or Dear but with anything Disney related I think they do just use it as my Disney >>>>>


Oh and Good Luck ELLIE

[Gaston]

If Paradise Pier added only studio DVC units, I would not add on there. I need a one bedroom with kitchen.

[Mary]

I also thought that the first D was darling--I actually thought "well not always, but I went with the flow and used it". Thanks for the IMHO explanation--I have twisted that one in my mind forever--I was looking for some type of Disney DVC related shortcut. Mary

[cheapmom]

I'm Published!

I edited the Wikipedia entry under Contemp. Resort. They have a section titled Kingdom Tower. I added the last paragraph about the name change to Bay Lake Tower. I have tried to edit Wiki stuff before- and it didn't make it or got deleted.

[erikthewise]

Wow -- 10 pages in 24 hours! Just like the old days -- only the company is better.
I doubt that we'll be in on this one, but if sure is exciting!
IF they are really going to open sales on July 1, they're sure cutting it close. I wonder if this will be another VAKL, where the first offering went out without so much as floor plans!

[cheapmom]

I don't know- but I am not going to be buying the 1st day. The AKV 1st day frenzy was so strange- people were lined up to buy without much info- I just can't do that. (No offense intended for anyone who bought right away) I am probably heAding to fl in Aug- I will tour the rooms and probably do a small add-on while down there. I probably want about 75 points (depending on what the point chart looks like- but if they have end up offering an incentive for 100 points I can probably stretch myself and go for 100.

[greenban]

Wow -- 10 pages in 24 hours! Just like the old days -- only the company is better.
I doubt that we'll be in on this one, but if sure is exciting!
IF they are really going to open sales on July 1, they're sure cutting it close. I wonder if this will be another VAKL, where the first offering went out without so much as floor plans!


As a relative old foggie (not quite a founder, give a day or two), Ouch!!!

;)

-Tony

[RweTHEREyet]

Wow -- 10 pages in 24 hours! Just like the old days -- only the company is better.
I doubt that we'll be in on this one, but if sure is exciting!
IF they are really going to open sales on July 1, they're sure cutting it close. I wonder if this will be another VAKL, where the first offering went out without so much as floor plans!

Since I was never interested in the WLV, I never paid attention to how it happened, did anyone even have what they thought were the floorplans, like we do now for the BLT?

[spiceycat]

i didn't see them if they were there.

smarter people these days that know how to look up things on the internet - plus companies are more likely to put their stuff on the internet than they were then.

Tony, need point charts - any hint when those will be out. Certainly hope it will be in our mailing BEFORE sales start.

only want a studio for 5 nights offseason - can't do that without the point chart.

would really like a 2-bedroom - but that is not going to happen.

Love Epcot really, but love MK more - it was the first park and only park while grandmother was lived and took us every year.

don't like the changes to Epcot - less for us older guests and more for the teens - if that kepts up - don't know if I will like Epcot.

love the first and second illiuinations - but the current version is not that great - you can't see that silly ball from all over unless you are standing at the wall.

now that say - love, love, love WISHES - it is the BEST!!!! so to be able to see it outside my room - oh heaven.

of course Epcot is still my favorite in Oct/Nov - :cheers2::margarita:ale:

[lenshanem]

Yes, a point chart would be swell. :hypnotict

[NYDVC]

We like point charts!!! to me thats the next big info. even the sale date does not excite me much until I see how damaging the points will be. I would like two weeks (0r 12 nights) in a two bedroom every couple of years. Points for that maybe scary :holymoly: and I may have to get off my pedestal. :lmbo:

[carolina_yankee]

If someone who is good at these things want to tinker around with a possible point chart, you can find a link the Maximum Point Allocation chart here (http://www.mouseowners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=137248&postcount=52) and download the .pdf (http://www.carolinayankee.net/parking/C_Reallocation.pdf). It's near the bottom of the list.

The Maximum allocation at BLT for a
studio = 16,
1 BR = 39
2 BR = 54
GV = 96

By looking at the Maximum allocations for the other resorts (shown in the same .pdf) and comparing them to exisitng points charts, someone might be able to come up with a sample points chart.

Dirk

[cheapmom]

The Maximum allocation at BLT for a
studio = 16,
1 BR = 39
2 BR = 54
GV = 96



I think I am doing this right- I can't do a whole pt chart- but I can level points in each room to compare:

SSR:
studio=16
1br=32
2br= 41
GV=90

BWV pref
stud=18
1br=35
2br= 46
GV=100

AKV
2br-Club=55----- 2br-sav=47----- 2br-standard=37
GV=92

[cheapmom]

I will guess- that there will be at least 2 categories- the low end points being about on par with ssr- the higher points somewhere along the lines of AKV concierge.

[vwl mom]

Okay, if I'm reading this correctly, then these represent about what a stay during "Magic Season" would be, with Christmas week being higher and all of the other "seasons" being a little bit less. (If the same "formula" for maximum reallocation applies to the Sandwich Tower as the other Resorts.)

Studio - 16
1BR - 39
2BR - 54
GV - 96 (These numbers are on the PDF - I just copied because I forgot to quote the previous post in my reply.)
So, Sandwich is between (only a little pun intended) SSR and AKV points for a GV, in the same range as most resorts for a studio, only a little bit higher for 1BR and 2 BR's have the most significant increase of 8pts over nearest comp - BWV, WLV and BCV. This is not what I was expecting... so we'll have to see if they just throw out the old formula and have a whole new configuration of points for BLT.
:veryconfu

[NYDVC]

I will guess- that there will be at least 2 categories- the low end points being about on par with ssr- the higher points somewhere along the lines of AKV concierge.

I definitely see a strong possibility for the wide gap between high and low point range which would equate to the views. They will obviously want a premium for MK view. even if the bay lake is its namesake :ROTFL:

[erikthewise]

As a relative old foggie (not quite a founder, give a day or two), Ouch!!!

;)

-Tony

Tony (& others),
By "old days" I was referring to "another" board! "Better company" means this board. Of course there is overlap, but here we don't seem to have the bitterness that often cropped up elsewhere.

[cheapmom]

I definitely see a strong possibility for the wide gap between high and low point range which would equate to the views. They will obviously want a premium for MK view. even if the bay lake is its namesake :ROTFL:

I haven't looked at the drawings much- but from looking at these points it might be reasonable to guess that none of the studios will fall into the premium view category.

[NYDVC]

I haven't looked at the drawings much- but from looking at these points it might be reasonable to guess that none of the studios will fall into the premium view category.

I struggle with this one. why not have atleast lockouts for 2 bedrooms with the MK view. but you certainly could be right.

[carolina_yankee]

I haven't looked at the drawings much- but from looking at these points it might be reasonable to guess that none of the studios will fall into the premium view category.

They would have to, unless none of the premium view 2 BRs are lock-offs.

Dirk

[cheapmom]

I struggle with this one. why not have atleast lockouts for 2 bedrooms with the MK view. but you certainly could be right.

oh yeah- I think those 2bdrms are supposed to be lock-offs, ok- I take back my guess. The max allocation seems so low for studios compared to other resorts. I can't wait for the real info. I am so excited I even did MATH :teacher: and I do NOT like math.

[spiceycat]

hey the originally plans showed NO STUDIOS - at all.

only 2 and 3 bedrooms.

so any studios will be happy with!

the maximum point is the point that if dvc went to a one point system - that would be it.

it and the point chart don't have anything in common.

it is generally lower than the point chart averaged out.

so really hoping for 2-bedroom lock out - so there are studios and 1-bedroom - just not dedicated ones.

if only the 2-bedroom dedicated are on the MK side - might have to reconsider - or get luck and use my OKW points. really want to stay on that side once!

[robinb]

As far as BLT, I keep going back and forth and right now I am in the not buying phase. Plus, after the AKV release, I am still not happy about that deal.
I'm not particularly happy with the way that AKV went down either. At least I was able to stay on the concierge floor by purchasing right away.

I will buy at BLT, but I am not sure when I am going to do it. If I wait then I might get a better deal.

[KyleRayner]

Yes, a point chart would be swell. :hypnotict

Hi Shannon!!!! :howudoin:

[Batistuta]

What was the problem when AKV was released?

[CarolA]

I don't know- but I am not going to be buying the 1st day. The AKV 1st day frenzy was so strange- people were lined up to buy without much info- I just can't do that. (No offense intended for anyone who bought right away) I am probably heAding to fl in Aug- I will tour the rooms and probably do a small add-on while down there. I probably want about 75 points (depending on what the point chart looks like- but if they have end up offering an incentive for 100 points I can probably stretch myself and go for 100.


That was me!

I have no regrests. It was the one place I really wanted to own and I do!!!:doublejum

I would do it again for AKV. But I am glad I get to sit this freenzy out!

[lenshanem]

If there are no studios with the MK view I would definitely reconsider and probably not buy. Gosh, that is the first time I've read that thought. Oh, my!

Hi Marc!

[spiceycat]

What was the problem when AKV was released?

current DVC members are generally told first.

the first mailing includes the point chart, layout, pictures - got none for AKV.

the drawing are not pictures.

it was a couple of months in the selling before the point chart was released.

[NYDVC]

If there are no studios with the MK view I would definitely reconsider and probably not buy. Gosh, that is the first time I've read that thought. Oh, my!

Hi Marc!

My guess is very little chance of that. why would they?

[spiceycat]

What was the problem when AKV was released?

forgot a big one.

generally when a DVC resort is first release - that is the best price.

well with AKV there was a better price later. First time DVC ever did that to us (members)

[CarolA]

forgot a big one.

generally when a DVC resort is first release - that is the best price.

well with AKV there was a better price later. First time DVC ever did that to us (members)

Actually I think the price was the same. The difference was that you got developer's points and other things that folks thought were a better deal then the initial offering. I went back and looked. I bought at $101 less $8. In March it went up to the option of the $8 discount or receiving developers points. In then went to $104 (in June?) with a $10 off So I paid $1 less. Now I did not get developers points and would have taken the $8 either way.

I have no regrets. I don't rent points and could not have used the developer's points.

[greenban]

forgot a big one.

generally when a DVC resort is first release - that is the best price.

well with AKV there was a better price later. First time DVC ever did that to us (members)


Very, very good point. Several heads rolled because of that, but if you made a big enough stink <grin> you were made 'whole' with 'comps'.

I don't think DVD will make that error again, I hope not!

-Tony

[NYDVC]

Very, very good point. Several heads rolled because of that, but if you made a big enough stink <grin> you were made 'whole' with 'comps'.

I don't think DVD will make that error again, I hope not!

-Tony

so in the end, everything I heard about people at AKV getting a better deal later is horse hockey?? thats inportant because I was going to hold off because of that? maybe I should not.

sounds like first in has always gotten the best deal?

[greenban]

so in the end, everything I heard about people at AKV getting a better deal later is horse hockey?? thats inportant because I was going to hold off because of that? maybe I should not.

sounds like first in has always gotten the best deal?

Some later people got the exact same deal as initial buyers, except the developer points were doubled and good for a year(UT as in 11 months), not the initial short life (?seven months), that was finally extended to a year anyway.

Expletives Deleted

So unless the economy really tanks, I expect initial buyers to get the best deal.

-Tony

[JimP]

Some later people got the exact same deal as initial buyers, except the developer points were doubled and good for a year(UT as in 11 months), not the initial short life (?seven months), that was finally extended to a year anyway.

So some people got double developer points, and if you were an original purchaser who got only single (less of a cash discount) and made a stink, (becasue the original DPs were only good once your unit closed and not for a whole year....and.....and these restrictions were later modified, you could get double developer points or opt for some other form of compensation. I was forbidden to speak about it earlier, but now the deadline to complain and be compensated has passed, so I guess the cat is out of the bag, so to speak.

Don't PM me about this subject, I will not go into further details,

So unless the economy really tanks, I expect initial buyers to get the best deal.

-Tony

My thought is to pass on BLT... and probably even GCV. However, part of me has Greenban/GBlast envy :)

/Jim

[robinb]

So some people got double developer points, and if you were an original purchaser who got only single (less of a cash discount) and made a stink, (becasue the original DPs were only good once your unit closed and not for a whole year....and.....and these restrictions were later modified, you could get double developer points or opt for some other form of compensation. I was forbidden to speak about it earlier, but now the deadline to complain and be compensated has passed, so I guess the cat is out of the bag, so to speak.

Well CRAP. I was one of the ones who got screwed in the deal. I had not heard a PEEP about people being compensated because a better deal was offered later. Is it because the promised that the prices would never be better or something like that? I certainly would have said something about it to my guide about it if I had known it would have done me some good.

Now I feel even worse ... like I was duped twice and screwed out of $1200. I sold my developer's points for $12 per and double points would have brought me down to a net of $80 per point. :headbange

[tomandrobin]

Well CRAP. I was one of the ones who got screwed in the deal. I had not heard a PEEP about people being compensated because a better deal was offered later. Is it because the promised that the prices would never be better or something like that? I certainly would have said something about it to my guide about it if I had known it would have done me some good.

Now I feel even worse ... like I was duped twice and screwed out of $1200. I sold my developer's points for $12 per and double points would have brought me down to a net of $80 per point. :headbange

:iagree: :headbange

[Daitcher]

so in the end, everything I heard about people at AKV getting a better deal later is horse hockey?? thats inportant because I was going to hold off because of that? maybe I should not.

sounds like first in has always gotten the best deal?



No it is not horse hockey. Those buying later did in fact get a better deal. This is NOT the only time it has happened either. People buying in at SSR using the F&F discount got a better price than I did buying in early. Even some of these latest deals have potential to be better if you use a Gblast suggestion of renting excess points.

I'll defer to Grenban on the squeaky wheels getting the grease regarding AKV. I'm not going there. BUT if it in fact created a headache for DVC then the intial offering to members may be the best for CRV.


DAVE

[bababear]

Thanks Tony,,appreciate all the time and info

Hugs Mel

[erikthewise]

No it is not horse hockey. ...


DAVE

Isn't that called polo?
:Pokepoke:

[greenban]

Isn't that called polo?
:Pokepoke:

EXCELLENT PUN!!!!

ROFLMAO!!!!

-Tony

[Mickeyfan0805]

Isn't that called polo?
:Pokepoke:

Well, done. That one had my wife asking what I was laughing about! :hahahaha:

[Daitcher]

Isn't that called polo?
:Pokepoke:



:bowdown:


DAVE

[mathmouse]

Just wanted to say thanks for the scoop!

You know it's a hot topic when the thread grows to 13 pages in 48 hours! :burn:

[kimberh]

Some later people got the exact same deal as initial buyers, except the developer points were doubled and good for a year(UT as in 11 months), not the initial short life (?seven months), that was finally extended to a year anyway.

So some people got double developer points, and if you were an original purchaser who got only single (less of a cash discount) and made a stink, (becasue the original DPs were only good once your unit closed and not for a whole year....and.....and these restrictions were later modified, you could get double developer points or opt for some other form of compensation. I was forbidden to speak about it earlier, but now the deadline to complain and be compensated has passed, so I guess the cat is out of the bag, so to speak.

Don't PM me about this subject, I will not go into further details,

So unless the economy really tanks, I expect initial buyers to get the best deal.

-Tony


I spend countless hours on these Boards, this is the First I have read of this! I would have loved the additional incentive. I bought right away. I certainly will not ever do that again! :rant: Talk about feeling burnt up right now! I was getting ready to call my guide for a small add on. I think now, I will wait.

[XPhillip]

So why wait?

Just remember for next time, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease". When they give a better offer later, just keep up the heat until they match that offer!

Can you go wrong here?

[NYDVC]

I spend countless hours on these Boards, this is the First I have read of this! I would have loved the additional incentive. I bought right away. I certainly will not ever do that again! :rant: Talk about feeling burnt up right now! I was getting ready to call my guide for a small add on. I think now, I will wait.

maybe i'm stll not getting it, but if they got the same deal you got, what are you upset about? from a cash outlay perspective its equivalent right? :headscrat

Please dont blast me I really am just confused:veryconfu

[NYDVC]

and dont PM any frogs!!!!!:doublejum

[Daitcher]

maybe i'm stll not getting it, but if they got the same deal you got, what are you upset about? from a cash outlay perspective its equivalent right? :headscrat

Please dont blast me I really am just confused:veryconfu



But they didn't get the same deal. Those buying in early at AKV paid a much higher price than those that have recently bought in. Maybe those that have been burned can give us some numbers.

Squeaky wheeels ended up getting some form of compensation from DVC. Problem is most others did not and didn't even know they could do this. I'm assuming the poster you referenced did not.

At the very least the backlash from this MAY mean that DVC won't do this again. I have my doubts. I've shown they have also done this to early buyers into SSR. It hapened to me. I paid more than some late buyers with these incentives we've seen.

The big variable here will be demand. I'm starting to think that sales at CRV will be good enough that they may not have to discount. I'd still wait but that is just me. I'm a cash buyer so I'd let that money sit and earn 6-8% for a while and watch and listen to what is happening. They usually announce or leak when they prices come to end so you can still wait a month or months before acting and maybe that waiting would pay off.


DAVE

[Blue&Gold]

Interesting flow of info here... I was just thinking that I can probably look at nearly every new car I've bought and found a sale or incentive from the dealer "later" on that might have saved me money. Can't imagine that if I went back to the Jeep/Ford/Volvo/Honda dealer they would have given me the "better" deal... (And all those cars cost more than any one of my individual DVC purchases.)

Caveat Emptor.

I'm surprised Disney Vacation Development even entertained the idea.

Again, just to bump an earlier question... Anyone have info on occupancy/opening date for the Sandwich?

[Mickeyfan0805]

Interesting flow of info here... I was just thinking that I can probably look at nearly every new car I've bought and found a sale or incentive from the dealer "later" on that might have saved me money. Can't imagine that if I went back to the Jeep/Ford/Volvo/Honda dealer they would have given me the "better" deal... (And all those cars cost more than any one of my individual DVC purchases.)

Caveat Emptor.

I'm surprised Disney Vacation Development even entertained the idea.

Again, just to bump an earlier question... Anyone have info on occupancy/opening date for the Sandwich?

Good analogy - I've been having the same thoughts as I've been reading this thread. I fully understand being disappointed, as a buyer, that you could have gotten a better deal than you actually got, but I don't see how one can be upset with DVC for offering 'sales' on their product.

And, as far as offering compensation to those who complained after the fact, that is DVC's decision to make. This is something every company does - offering various forms of compensation to those who are particularly upset about a failed service, insufficient product, etc... They don't turn around and give it to everyone effected, they simply give it out to pacify those who complain.

Again, I understand wishing you'd gotten a better deal (I have often wished I'd gone about our purchase differently than we did), but I get a sense of people flaming DVC for some of this, and I don't see where they did anything wrong.

[Daitcher]

Again, I understand wishing you'd gotten a better deal (I have often wished I'd gone about our purchase differently than we did), but I get a sense of people flaming DVC for some of this, and I don't see where they did anything wrong.



I agree. I didn't complain when they had to discount SSR. They are a business and they needed to do something to move those points. I also didn't read anything guaranteeing me that the price I got when I purchased was going to be the best offered. I say this becasue I want people to know the facts not because I complained about that fact. They have discounted things later routinely if they couldn't move them.

Disney did the right thing. Calm the complainers with compensation and move on.


DAVE

[tvwalsh]

I think there is some joy and bragging rights for being the first, or one of the first owners of any new DVC resort.

I bought OKW (called that later), in 1992 and the price was never again as low as what I paid. I have gone to OKW 90% of my visits to WDW.

I bought VB when it first was offered and there were many incentives offered later. I was very excited about it at the time and thrilled to go there. The thrill faded.

I bought HH and never used it and sold it later for slightly more than what I paid.

My point is, I bought these points because I was excited to be a part of something new and bright and fun. Prices go up and prices go down.

Enjoy life!

[tvwalsh]

I forgot to mention in my last post that I plan to buy 100 BLT point as soon as I can. Why? Because I am excited about it and It will be fun to be one of the first owners and visiters. If the price goes down, Oh well.

[dianeschlicht]

I don't look at incentives as anything more than that....They are incentives to entice people to buy at a specific time. I bought AKV when it was first offered, and YES, I paid $104/point, but part of that is because I didn't want a full contract...only an add-on. It didn't seem to me like I SHOULD get the same deal as the people who were adding on to be on the tapestry. So you paid a little extra to get on the tapestry... That was probably important to some folks at the time...not me. I guess I don't get how or why anyone would complain about the "deal" they got after the "deal" changed to something better. We all know that is the way our system works. There are "sales" on things all the time. If I miss one..oh well, I might be luckier next time. :chillpill

[Daitcher]

I forgot to mention in my last post that I plan to buy 100 BLT point as soon as I can. Why? Because I am excited about it and It will be fun to be one of the first owners and visiters. If the price goes down, Oh well.



You bring up a good point. There cerainly is an emotional tie here. To some it may be worth it to be an intial owner. They love to be one of the "founders" and love having that call into their guide to be first on the list. Hard to put a dollar figure on that but the "value" still exists, the enjoyment still exists.

My best adice and this is how I try to live my life: Don't focus on what you could have gotten or would like to have just be thankful for what you have and enjoy it.

I hope everyone who desires CRV gets what they want regardless of the price paid.


DAVE

[kimberh]

Maybe I'm missing something here, I didn't know that I could have called my guide after my Cash purchase and complained that I wanted additional developer points, because I didn't receive them at the first month of being able to buy. That is what is getting me. It is Like "Oh I don't like the deal dealt to me, so I want a better deal!" Then it comes out now. It's not the fact that the price went down later in the sales, I saw that. I though the price was the price, I guess not! I won't buy again at the onset of a sale...all I am saying, but it's to each his own.

[robinb]

I didn't buy enough for the Tapestry but we were excited to buy at AKV during the preview period which was only open to current members. We felt special. I was given the impression that the price that I paid (including incentives) as an existing DVC owner during that presale period would be the very best.

Well, I felt not-so-special when I found out that others were able to purchase later with a better incentive. When I found out that people got double Developer's Points a couple months after I purchased I initially felt "grumpy" about it. I really didn't think that I could officially object to Disney's pricing structure so I did not contact DVC. I filed it under "Live and Learn Part I": Disney may offer non-members and late comers a better deal. I have mildly kvetched about it off and on for the past year because it bugged me.

I guess what ticked me off yesterday is that some people DID complain to DVC and those complainers were rewarded. I can't say for sure, but it appears that they were also sworn to some sort of secrecy by some of Greenban's comments. The rest of us non-squeaky wheels just rolled over silently.

So, now I have "Live and Learn, Part II": Disney may reward you if you bitch loud enough.

I lost over $1,000 in the process and I think I am allowed to be a bit grumpy.

[Daitcher]

Maybe I'm missing something here, I didn't know that I could have called my guide after my Cash purchase and complained that I wanted additional developer points, because I didn't receive them at the first month of being able to buy. That is what is getting me. It is Like "Oh I don't like the deal dealt to me, so I want a better deal!" Then it comes out now. It's not the fact that the price went down later in the sales, I saw that. I though the price was the price, I guess not! I won't buy again at the onset of a sale...all I am saying, but it's to each his own.



I hope you know that I completely understand how you feel. It isn't fun to be taken or at least feel taken. Apparently those receiving additional incentives after the purchase kept this on the down low. I would bet they were told as much directly by DVC. That part is shady, IMO. BUT if you were in DVC's shoes you'd do the same thing, accomodate the unhappy people to salvage the relationship going forward.


DAVE

[kimberh]

I hope you know that I completely understand how you feel. It isn't fun to be taken or at least feel taken. Apparently those receiving additional incentives after the purchase kept this on the down low. I would bet they were told as much directly by DVC. That part is shady, IMO. BUT if you were in DVC's shoes you'd do the same thing, accomodate the unhappy people to salvage the relationship going forward.


DAVE

Thank you Dave, I did buy the 150 points in Feb, the initial buy in. I did pay Cash, I own 4 DVC properties. I really don't get bent out of shape over much, but this has really set my Jaw tight, I am giving my guide a call. This resort is not sold out. I really was going to call him next week and do a 50 point add on, this has really put a different light on things for me. I belive in treating people fairly. We own our own business. We set our prices, we don't jiggle prices all around. If, we did, we would have salespeople jiggling all the time and months where we didn't make any money. The car example used earlier was very good. That is how I looked at my DVC purchase, It never dawned on me that I could have called DVC and whined. It is just not my nature. Then to find the sworn to silence. :headache: My money is hard earned, just as I am sure most people's money is.

No, I didn't think my guide should have called me, I do think DVC should have stuck to their offer. What is up with all the whiners getting their way? I guess this is what has really gotten to me the most, Whining kids never got their way with me and to find adults get their way, it's a Joke! JMHO

[Daitcher]

Thank you Dave, No, I didn't think my guide should have called me, I do think DVC should have stuck to their offer. What is up with all the whiners getting their way? I guess this is what has really gotten to me the most, Whinning kids never got their way with me and to find adults get their way, it's a Joke! JMHO



You are welcome. Kind of leaves a bad taste in your mouth doesn't it?

As far as the whiners getting their way, I agree. DVC should have never opened this can of worms. Either compensate everyone that bought early or don't do it at all. They chose the "business" way of appeasing the whiners.

Pretty sad, IMO.


DAVE

[NYDVC]

You bring up a good point. There cerainly is an emotional tie here. To some it may be worth it to be an intial owner. They love to be one of the "founders" and love having that call into their guide to be first on the list. Hard to put a dollar figure on that but the "value" still exists, the enjoyment still exists.

My best adice and this is how I try to live my life: Don't focus on what you could have gotten or would like to have just be thankful for what you have and enjoy it.

I hope everyone who desires CRV gets what they want regardless of the price paid.


DAVE

good points and disney see's that. thats why they have the names on that tapestry at akv. Or will have. Intrinsic value of having your name AT a dvc resort like the bricks.

[NYDVC]

Is it possible that Disney will "correct" this by guaranteeing the losest cost initially? like "lowest price" for the sale of this resort or something like that. Not sure that would include developers points or "other" incentives?

any thoughts?

[Daitcher]

Is it possible that Disney will "correct" this by guaranteeing the losest cost initially? like "lowest price" for the sale of this resort or something like that. Not sure that would include developers points or "other" incentives?

any thoughts?



Wouldn't surprise me. Builders are doing a similiar thing now. They guarantee that you will get the lowest price at closing. Many people were burned by signing a contract on a new home and then by the time they closed that home was selling for $20,000 less something MUCH less. Builders have now guarnateed them the house at the lowest price, either what they signed at or what it will be at closing.

DVC could take a similiar approach. They had best do their homework if they go that route. Locking yourself into a price can be a horrible move.


DAVE

[greenban]

Is it possible that Disney will "correct" this by guaranteeing the losest cost initially? like "lowest price" for the sale of this resort or something like that. Not sure that would include developers points or "other" incentives?

any thoughts?

This is a great point, and one that I choose to belive. From my travels up the corporate ladder in this 'episode', I belive a new mid-management marketing person (who is no longer with the company) made the Double Developer Points decision. I have been told (and it seems to be true), that the pre-construction pricing on each prior DVC resort, remained the best price ever offerred, sometimes later incentives added more goodies (Annual Passes, No Dues for a Year [2005 IIRC], etc.)

As an aside, the problems with these DPs from not appearing in your dvcmember.com page, to 2 day delays in booking, to the myriad of other problems, leads me to believe that these DPs are a thing of the past. We may see Bonus points which work very well, but hopefully no more DPs.

What made this one (AKV a real doozie) was the initial offer of developer's points had so many restrictions (I don't recall exactly, but I belive not usable until your unit was declared, an effective 7 month life and no banking options), that for the first time ever, I declined DPs and took the cash discount.

Later some of these point's restrictions were modified or lifted making them worth more than the initial discount. While I wasn't personally bothered by this (I considered it other's good fortune, rather than, my bad luck, when they offerred double developer points at the same pricing, I wasn't thrilled.

However, I didn't really care, because as already pointed out the (still MIA) Founder's Tapestry was worth the (now) real cost to me.

I was told by a DVC Source, Not DC or my Guide BTW, about a squeaky wheel that got some 'compensation'. Then I felt if he got a little something-something, why not me? I then started my adventure in obtaining the same. This Is started through my great Guide, who was suprised to hear about this, and doubted very much that it would lead anywhere. She pointed me in the right directions and off I ran. It took a lot of work to convience the PTB about the value of DPs (without mentioning my rental habits, which would have been suicidal, IMHO), so I didn't push to hard. After many, many emails, and a few snail mails, my journey ended. And that is all that I can say. I now believe it is too late for anyone else to be sucessful in this endeavor.

Finally, I believe this was an honest mistake, and the DVC will be certain that the pre-sale cash price is the lowest cash price. The economy and other incentives may not make the initial offering the best value, but as others have clearly pointed out, that is true for most of life and especially sales!

For once, I am done with a subject. Remember, the squeaky frog often gets eaten! http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/frog-9.jpg

-Tony

[NYDVC]

This is a great point, and one that I choose to belive. From my travels up the corporate ladder in this 'episode', I belive a new mid-management marketing person (who is no longer with the company) made the Double Developer Points decision. I have been told (and it seems to be true), that the pre-construction pricing on each prior DVC resort, remained the best price ever offerred, sometimes later incentives added more goodies (Annual Passes, No Dues for a Year [2005 IIRC], etc.)

As an aside, the problems with these DPs from not appearing in your dvcmember.com page, to 2 day delays in booking, to the myriad of other problems, leads me to believe that these DPs are a thing of the past. We may see Bonus points which work very well, but hopefully no more DPs.

What made this one (AKV a real doozie) was the initial offer of developer's points had so many restrictions (I don't recall exactly, but I belive not usable until your unit was declared, an effective 7 month life and no banking options), that for the first time ever, I declined DPs and took the cash discount.

Later some of these point's restrictions were modified or lifted making them worth more than the initial discount. While I wasn't personally bothered by this (I considered it other's good fortune, rather than, my bad luck, when they offerred double developer points at the same pricing, I wasn't thrilled.

However, I didn't really care, because as already pointed out the (still MIA) Founder's Tapestry was worth the (now) real cost to me.

I was told by a DVC Source, Not DC or my Guide BTW, about a squeaky wheel that got some 'compensation'. Then I felt if he got a little something-something, why not me? I then started my adventure in obtaining the same. This Is started through my great Guide, who was suprised to hear about this, and doubted very much that it would lead anywhere. She pointed me in the right directions and off I ran. It took a lot of work to convience the PTB about the value of DPs (without mentioning my rental habits, which would have been suicidal, IMHO), so I didn't push to hard. After many, many emails, and a few snail mails, my journey ended. And that is all that I can say. I now believe it is too late for anyone else to be sucessful in this endeavor.

Finally, I believe this was an honest mistake, and the DVC will be certain that the pre-sale cash price is the lowest cash price. The economy and other incentives may not make the initial offering the best value, but as others have clearly pointed out, that is true for most of life and especially sales!

For once, I am done with a subject. Remember, the squeaky frog often gets eaten! http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/frog-9.jpg

-Tony

So if I understand you, your opinion is the initial cash price will be the best, but waiting my provide an overall better value. ie you may get developer points that make up or exceed the point price increase if you rented them out as an example.

[robinb]

Tony:

Thank you for the explanation :). FWIW, I don't blame you one little bit for wanting a little something-something.

[greenban]

So if I understand you, your opinion is the initial cash price will be the best, but waiting my provide an overall better value. ie you may get developer points that make up or exceed the point price increase if you rented them out as an example.

Yes.

And with the seeming incredible demand for the Sandwich Towers in the Air, I expect the initial offerring for BLT to be the best period. However, if we go into a full depression, or Peak-Oil meltdown, then all bets are off.

I am choosing to purchase initially.

-Tony

Warning, Peak-Oil is a scare theory/conspiracy theory that makes Y2K (remember that one) look like a cub scout camping trip. Don't google it, unless you want to laugh at tin-foil hat/lead underwear wearing nut cases, or you like a good laugh, or you like to freak yourself out with a new worry!

P.S. Don;t ask how I stumbled onto this.......;)

[NYDVC]

Yes.

And with the seeming incredible demand for the Sandwich Towers in the Air, I expect the initial offerring for BLT to be the best period. However, if we go into a full depression, or Peak-Oil meltdown, then all bets are off.

I am choosing to purchase initially.

-Tony

Warning, Peak-Oil is a scare theory/conspiracy theory that makes Y2K (remember that one) look like a cub scout camping trip. Don't google it, unless you want to laugh at tin-foil hat/lead underwear wearing nut cases, or you like a good laugh, or you like to freak yourself out with a new worry!

P.S. Don;t ask how I stumbled onto this.......;)




If that happens I will be spending my vacation money of food and fuel.


thanks for input. :clappingh

[tomandrobin]

But Tony....We all know you are a fighter!

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r197/tomandrobin/smileys/don27t-give-up.jpg

[rinkwide]

...Peak-Oil is a scare theory/conspiracy...Fortunately, there's new technology on the horizon that will allow frogs to be rendered into bio-diesel.

[greenban]

Fortunately, there's new technology on the horizon that will allow frogs to be rendered into bio-diesel.


Oh Yeah!

Rinky is in da HOUSE!


Hey rinkwide! I need some more of da cowbell man!

Seriously it is so great to see you here! I still sneak over to the Darkside to read your words of wisdom!

Too often it seems your points are like pearls cast before swine!

-Tony

P.S. the cease-and-desist letters can not pierce the 49th percentile is one of your very best.

:worship: I bow to the master! :worship:

-Tony

[JimP]

P.S. the cease-and-desist letters can not pierce the 49th percentile is one of your very best.


Parallel?

/Jim

P.S. I really wish rinkwide would post here too!

[erikthewise]

Fortunately, there's new technology on the horizon that will allow frogs to be rendered into bio-diesel.

Oh, great. Now the price of frogs will go through the roof.

[greenban]

Parallel?

/Jim

P.S. I really wish rinkwide would post here too!

DUH!!!!

I was so excited that rinky was in da house, my fingers got all tonue-tied. And with a frog's long tongue, that can be problamatic.

http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/frog/frog-hunting-LongTongue.jpg

Parallel....Parallel....Parallel, got to go and :coolcar: percentile park my car!

-Tony



hmmmmm...... since this is a family board, I should point out how Hoppy Ms. greenban is about my froggie glossis!

[senecabeach]

Tony......

Thanks for your scoop and update.

OK a little help here please..I haven't been around for a few weeks and almost afraid to ask this question :bugeyed: , but, looks like there's an official name now....not KT... BLT ??? What does BLT mean ??

[carolina_yankee]

In this context, Bay Lake Tower, which is the name DVC is calling the new tower, having changed it from Kingdom Tower.

Folks are starting to call it the sandwich next to the toaster.

Dirk

[zulaya]

DC has some good dirt.

As far as BLT...boy, someone in marketing didn't really think very hard about that acronym. I'd bet that another name change is in the works.

BLT nor Bay Lake Tower sounds very "magical". Surely they can come up with something, even if they went with what a lot of us were originally calling VCR...villas at the Contemporary. I'd take VCR...though VCR doesn't really have a Contemporary ring to it nowadays does it?

Villas at Bay Lake, while bland, would take care of the BLT problem.

[carolina_yankee]

DC has some good dirt.

As far as BLT...boy, someone in marketing didn't really think very hard about that acronym. I'd bet that another name change is in the works.

BLT nor Bay Lake Tower sounds very "magical". Surely they can come up with something, even if they went with what a lot of us were originally calling VCR...villas at the Contemporary. I'd take VCR...though VCR doesn't really have a Contemporary ring to it nowadays does it?

Villas at Bay Lake, while bland, would take care of the BLT problem.

I think the most accurate acronym would be CRV for Contemporary Resort Villas or "Crave" as that seems to describe most CR fans. :)

A thought just occurred to me - I wonder if they are intentionally downplaying the Conetmporary name because of theming issues? After all, it basically just looks like any other Gold Coast or Gulf Coast high rise condo . . .

Dirk

[senecabeach]

In this context, Bay Lake Tower, which is the name DVC is calling the new tower, having changed it from Kingdom Tower.

Folks are starting to call it the sandwich next to the toaster.

Dirk

:hahahaha::hahahaha: Thanks Dirk!

[tvwalsh]

Are you sure that it will be BLT and not TBL? The Tower at Bay Lake sure sounds better to me at least for the acronym. :sunny:

[tinker_me_happy]

Thanks for the updates!

[kapeman]

I think the most accurate acronym would be CRV for Contemporary Resort Villas or "Crave" as that seems to describe most CR fans. :)


Dirk

Plus that goes well with the new restaurant, The Wave.