Which DVC units get deposited in II?

[JimP]

I just posted this on another forum... but wanted the opinion of MO readers too.

/Jim

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I have a question about Interval International trades. Spefically... does DVC have exclusive rights to determine WHICH properties are deposited into II.

The reason that I am asking is because it would seem that the only "fair" way of DVC providing deposits... is to use the same resort in which the DVC member used points for the outbound exchange.

It seems to me that the vast majority of II inbound exchange opportunities are either for SSR or for OKW. Possibly this is in the same proportion as SSR/OKW owners use II for outbound exchanges... but this does not seem to be the case by my casual observation. Also... To the best of my knowledge... there are no inbound exchanges yet for AKV... yet I am pretty sure that AKV owners are not barred from making II exchanges. If so... then there has to be an imbalance on this basis alone.

To illustrate the problem, we can create a worse case scenario. Let's assume that DVC was to only to deposit weeks into II from VWL, which I believe is the smallest DVC resort. If in fact that this happened... then owners at VWL would be impacted as all the owners booked II exchanges... and VWL owners would feel the impact of losing their available inventory... potentially giving them no place to book until the 7 month window. Now clearly this is an unrealistic example... but specifically chosen to show why DVC inventory should be deposited into II based on the specific points used for II outbound exchanges.

I would love to hear about the actual algorithm that DVC uses... and also any factual based arguments dis-proving my casual observations.

/Jim

[glypnirsgirl]

Jim - I do not know the true answer to this question. But I can tell you that my observation is the same. Further, there is no restriction on what DVC deposits into the II reservation system in the POS.

Not only do I think that DVC deposits SSR and OKW more frequently, I also believe that they do not deposit as desirable of a time.

IMO it is one of the best arguments for doing direct exchanges.

Elaine

[tomandrobin]

I can't answer all your questions, I don't even think the great Dean has all of the answers on II and deposits.

I think that DVC has to give II units based on out bound exchanges. I am also guessing that contractually DVC has to give "x" number of units to II, if enough outbound requests/exchanges are not made.

DVC is similar to Starwood and how it deals with II. Both systems control the deposits that are made into II. For example, if I owned a two bedroom at Atlantis and wanted to deposit my unit into II for a exchange. I would have to call Starwood and make my request. Starwood would then take my unit and deposit a unit into my II account. More then likely the unit will be from a different Starwood resort, like Westin Mission Hills California. The Atlantis unit goes back into the Starwood inventory for internal trades by other Starwood owners. This arrangement is good for internal trading, bad for external trading. That is why there is so little Atlnatis inventory in II. Its more economical to rent your Atlantis unit or do a direct exchange.

As far as AKV is concerned, since the resort still has alot of construction and is less then 50% complete, it will not show up in II for another year or so.

[greenban]

I can't answer all your questions, I don't even think the great Dean has all of the answers on II and deposits.

I think that DVC has to give II units based on out bound exchanges. I am also guessing that contractually DVC has to give "x" number of units to II, if enough outbound requests/exchanges are not made.

DVC is similar to Starwood and how it deals with II. Both systems control the deposits that are made into II. For example, if I owned a two bedroom at Atlantis and wanted to deposit my unit into II for a exchange. I would have to call Starwood and make my request. Starwood would then take my unit and deposit a unit into my II account. More then likely the unit will be from a different Starwood resort, like Westin Mission Hills California. The Atlantis unit goes back into the Starwood inventory for internal trades by other Starwood owners. This arrangement is good for internal trading, bad for external trading. That is why there is so little Atlnatis inventory in II. Its more economical to rent your Atlantis unit or do a direct exchange.

As far as AKV is concerned, since the resort still has alot of construction and is less then 50% complete, it will not show up in II for another year or so.

I always thought that the yucky units got depositied!

And Daitcher told me on SSR gets depositied ;)

-Tony

[Carol]

I bought DVC to stay at the DVC Resorts. So I'm glad that DVC seems to mostly deposit the lower demand weeks and resorts. (I've read some reports that say they got an exchange to VWL, BCV or BWV, but not very many compared to those reporting they got OKW or SSR).

With all due respect to the OP, I don't share his definition of "fair".

I think DVC members who book non home resorts at 7 months should have a chance at the more desirable times, resorts and room sizes ahead of exchangers.

If SSR and OKW usually fill up later than the other resorts, then those are the resorts the deposits should mostly come from - that's my definition of "fair". YMMV.

[JimP]

I bought DVC to stay at the DVC Resorts. So I'm glad that DVC seems to mostly deposit the lower demand weeks and resorts. (I've read some reports that say they got an exchange to VWL, BCV or BWV, but not very many compared to those reporting they got OKW or SSR).

With all due respect to the OP, I don't share his definition of "fair".

I think DVC members who book non home resorts at 7 months should have a chance at the more desirable times, resorts and room sizes ahead of exchangers.

If SSR and OKW usually fill up later than the other resorts, then those are the resorts the deposits should mostly come from - that's my definition of "fair". YMMV.
Carol,

My definition of "fair" is as an owner of DVC (which I am)... not as an exchanger into DVC (which I also do).

If I own some SSR points (I do)... and every time someone who owns at any of the other DVC units performs an II exchange... my SSR inventory is removed... then I am being impacted unfairly.

Also... If I own some BWV points (I do)... and I want to exchange into OKW at the 7 month mark (I sometimes do)... but too many OKW units were given to II... then I am once again impacted.

My two arguments above are somewhat academic... and I also understand the opposite situation (which you are making). For example... If I do not own at BCV or VWL (I dont)... I benefit from the fact that I get "better than I deserve" chances of staying there if people who own there and exchange... do NOT have their units removed from inventory.

Still... it seems that the proper method of account would result in the following: When DVC points are exchanged out into II... that the resorts corresponding to those points would be deposited.

I really cannot tell if this is happening or not... but I suspect that it is not.

/Jim

[tomandrobin]

Still... it seems that the proper method of account would result in the following: When DVC points are exchanged out into II... that the resorts corresponding to those points would be deposited.

This is not what happens.

[Carol]

Carol,

My definition of "fair" is as an owner of DVC (which I am)... not as an exchanger into DVC (which I also do).

If I own some SSR points (I do)... and every time someone who owns at any of the other DVC units performs an II exchange... my SSR inventory is removed... then I am being impacted unfairly.SSR is so large relative to the others that it would be (is) a very minimal impact even if all the exchanges were deposited for this resort (They aren't, though). This is especially true if the majority of the deposits were for less popular times (according to DVC booking patterns). I submit that unless SSR owners reserve well after the 7 month window opens, they aren't impacted at all. I think the same thing holds true for DVC members who use the 7 month window to get SSR.

The only time I have ever heard of SSR filling up before the 7 month window opens is for New Year's Eve night. I really doubt that DVC ever deposits the week that contains that night from any resort.


Also... If I own some BWV points (I do)... and I want to exchange into OKW at the 7 month mark (I sometimes do)... but too many OKW units were given to II... then I am once again impacted. Again, I really think this argument is also moot. OKW seldom (if ever) fills up before you would have a chance to use your BWV points there if you reserve at 7 months. The Grand Villas often do, but I have never heard of a 3 bedroom being deposited into II. Anyway, I think BWV, VWL & BCV are harder to book at 7 months than OKW, so I'm OK with DVC deposting more units from the resorts that do not book up as quickly as the others. (I think both OKW & SSR are beautiful resorts, but neither fills up until long after the others do. There are way more posts about waitlists for VWL, BCV & BWV than there are for OKW or SSR).

My two arguments above are somewhat academic... and I also understand the opposite situation (which you are making). For example... If I do not own at BCV or VWL (I dont)... I benefit from the fact that I get "better than I deserve" chances of staying there if people who own there and exchange... do NOT have their units removed from inventory.

Still... it seems that the proper method of account would result in the following: When DVC points are exchanged out into II... that the resorts corresponding to those points would be deposited.

I really cannot tell if this is happening or not... but I suspect that it is not.

/JimI agree. Based on what I have read here and elsewhere (obviously NOT a very scientific sample, LOL), I really doubt DVC is depositing weeks corressponding to the points used for the exchange.

But as I already posted, I am OK with that. I think DVC does a pretty good job of depositing weeks into II that minimize the impacts on DVC members.

[JimP]

The only time I have ever heard of SSR filling up before the 7 month window opens is for New Year's Eve night. I really doubt that DVC ever deposits the week that contains that night from any resort.

Just this weekend (Sunday night) there were both a 1BR unit at OKW, and a Studio (SSR) for the Christmas holiday week (12/20 - 12/27). I realize that these particular examples are not New Year's eve... but they are smack in the middle of the premiere season. Also... some inventory has been deposited for New Years every year since I have been looking... but mostly studios.

The Grand Villas often do, but I have never heard of a 3 bedroom being deposited into II.

Wrong. I personally know of two 3BR GV's that were obtained via II trades. One was from an on-line acquaintance for last September... and the other is by a very close friend for this coming September. I have never personally heard of non-September deposits.

I really doubt DVC is depositing weeks corresponding to the points used for the exchange. But as I already posted, I am OK with that.

I understand the position... and in many ways I [emotionally] agree. However... I have to question the intellectual honestly of taking such a position. Essentially... BWV/BCV/VWL points are being used by their owners... and SSR/OKW owners are losing their inventory as a result. This has the same exact affect of letting these same owners book SSR/OKW inventory ahead of the 7 month booking window because the SSR/OKW folks do not really need their inventory anyway. There really is no difference! It seems to me that SSR and OKW owners are being damaged by this policy... as well as (to a lesser degree) owners of other resorts who want to trade into OKW or SSR at the 7 month window.

/Jim

[Carol]

Just this weekend (Sunday night) there were both a 1BR unit at OKW, and a Studio (SSR) for the Christmas holiday week (12/20 - 12/27). I realize that these particular examples are not New Year's eve... but they are smack in the middle of the premiere season. Also... some inventory has been deposited for New Years every year since I have been looking... but mostly studios.



Wrong. I personally know of two 3BR GV's that were obtained via II trades. One was from an on-line acquaintance for last September... and the other is by a very close friend for this coming September. I have never personally heard of non-September deposits.



I understand the position... and in many ways I [emotionally] agree. However... I have to question the intellectual honestly of taking such a position. Essentially... BWV/BCV/VWL points are being used by their owners... and SSR/OKW owners are losing their inventory as a result. This has the same exact affect of letting these same owners book SSR/OKW inventory ahead of the 7 month booking window because the SSR/OKW folks do not really need their inventory anyway. There really is no difference! It seems to me that SSR and OKW owners are being damaged by this policy... as well as (to a lesser degree) owners of other resorts who want to trade into OKW or SSR at the 7 month window.

/JimI stand corrected on the deposits. (But as you know, September is probably the slowest month of the year for DVC reservations, so I don't have a problem with DVC depositing 3 bedrooms for that time. It's not like depositing a BWV Grand Villa during Foof & Wine festival time, LOL).

Even so, I don't see how SSR & OKW owners are being damaged by the policy. Bet most of the owners of those two resorts are very happy DVC does it the way they do. They have the 11 month window to book their own resort (and if they book at 11 months are pretty well guaranted of geting what they want) and also more opportunity to book the smaller ones.

II has to get something when members trade so why not give them the slower times at the larger resorts?

I don't think there are very many BCV, VWL or BWV owners who want to trade into SSR or OKW and get shut out (unless they are looking for short notice reservaitons). It's quite common to read about people who accept a reservation at SSR or OKW and then ask what the chances are for getting into BCV, VWL or BWV.

I think we have to just agree to disagree on this one.