So, have you been BANNED??????

[greenban]

Do to increased sightings of banned DISsers,I have resurrected an oldie but goodie greenban POLL: Have you be banned from the DIS?

Feel free to add any info, but no slamming, flamming or personal attacks, we just don't play that way here at MOs!!!!

-Tony

NOTE: CHOICE one should read YES, not s!!!!!

[AFMom]

I voted "What's The Dis" - - it was the closest I could get to reality!
Well - I used t post there, and was introduced to this site by another poster. I was never banned - but decided for myself that the atmosphere there was wat too hostile and unfriendly for my taste - so I don't go over there anymore.

[Sass]

Nope and I've been there since 2003. I know to stay out of their DVC section. :brrrrrr:

[Steamboat Bill]

I was only banned once....I now have a stealth account there with a different e-mail address and IP address, but I rarely post there.

In fact, I should post a few juicy messages there to see if I can join the multiple DIS banned club.

Perhaps we need pins to show off.

Sad thing is that I never broke the rules, but they lost a very active poster. Oh well, I like it here much better and it is hard to be active on multiple forums.

[Leftcoaster]

I was proud to get my banning the other day. I had pretty much stopped posting there after the big DVC community board death of '05.

After Alex made one of the all time biggest and most hilarious screw ups, I had to get banned.

[2nd Star]

What have people done to get banned?

[Leftcoaster]

What have people done to get banned?

A lot of posters were banned just for posting on a board that the Dis Mods don't like. When people started to question why the mods would do that, they got banned too. One poster got banned just for mentioning the bannings on her blog. Once things continued to spiral out of control, people started to intentionally get banned to show their support. For example, they would post the list of all who got banned, knowing they would get banned for it.

[loribell]

I have not been banned but I am very unhappy with what is going on at the DIS right now. I never knew what happened with you and the others or I would have been just as upset then. At this point I could care less if I get banned. I am posting on the two chat threads I was involved in because the person that started them doesn't want us to let them die. Other than that I am not posting at all. What they have done smells very bad!


The DIS ran off some of the best parts of their board, especially when they ran off you Tony. I really don't know how I missed out on this board all this time. To tell the truth I found it by doing a search for greenban.

[TW1]

I never gave them the pleasure. I gladly ceased posting of my own accord.

When I need an environment like that it's easier attending a Philly sporting event.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b180/90Jetta/FlyersFanSaluting-Devils-Fan.jpg

[greenban]

I have not been banned but I am very unhappy with what is going on at the DIS right now. I never knew what happened with you and the others or I would have been just as upset then. At this point I could care less if I get banned. I am posting on the two chat threads I was involved in because the person that started them doesn't want us to let them die. Other than that I am not posting at all. What they have done smells very bad!


The DIS ran off some of the best parts of their board, especially when they ran off you Tony. I really don't know how I missed out on this board all this time. To tell the truth I found it by doing a search for greenban.

:iagree:

Loribell, you are way too kind, :loveisint and clearly brillant as well!

(More, more, more.......)

Thank you and welcome HOME to MOs!

-Tony

[loribell]

You are a wealth of knowledge my friend and they were stupid to ban you. Period. The DVC boards were seriously damaged when they lost you.

[DocOck]

Why don't you list your former Dis IDs while your at it. Mine were:

Aztecgoods
Butch Johnson
Rock Bottom Sound
Spidey 7
DocOck

I think I'm actually missing a few but those were the ones I can remember. I too was banned, I'm guessing for not having the same political views as the mods. I never broke the rules, never got a warning just a ban. It always seemed to occur right after I made some negative comments about the Clintons. Like it was synonymous with dissing the Pope or something.:rolleyes:

[Hallfamily4]

I actually found MouseOwners before the Dis!!! When someone mentioned the Dis to me I surfed around, posted very little...I really cannot get over the different atmosphere between the two. The Dis has a more commercial and business like atmosphere. Everyone here is like neighbors! Thanks for welcoming me into your community!

[cali09]

I wasn't banned, but I choose to leave after they banned several of my friends. Glad to see you greenban!

[bruinfan]

I voted "what's the dis" only because the Mrs. posts 'over there'. I began to feel lonely and left out so I searched around. Then I found this place and lurked in the doorways and back alleys for quite a while before going legit.

[glypnirsgirl]

Ahhh .... still not posting at the Dis. Still not banned. Related? I think so.

Elaine

[bamacbat]

What's the Dis? I've seen it mentioned on MO several times and always wondered. Is this where the evil dentist lives I keep seeing mentioned? BamaCbat

[Delaware Mike]

What...??? There's another DVC fan website??? Really...??? :)

I was posting over on ********, maintaining the ROFR thread for a while and one day a curiously repulsive tooth-driller took exception to a statement I made. I said nothing wrong...only posted my opinions on the resale market.

Well, public postings and private messages started arriving in my inbox over there, hinting at how I should keep my opinions to myself. I knew right there my days were numbered, as the threats of points or double-secret probation started. So I left of my own accord and found MouseOwners.

Starting to post here was the best move I ever made!

Delaware Mike

Edited to add: Just for giggles, I tried my ID over there and it still works. But every one of my posts have been deleted. Funny....older posts from others are still there, but mine are gone. ...interesting.

[tammymacb]

Well, my double secret probation seems to have ended. I can go back to my screenname and see my violation tally.

Apparently, they've decided I can post again. Don't really want to and if I did, I will end up banned.

[tomandrobin]

Just to update: I still am not banned...yet. I did recently get another 10 points on September 1st. Got into a email exchange with one angry dentist, but on all my replies I copied all the other board moderators to keep the playing field level. Ultimately, I won the discussion, my 10 points stayed and the thread do not get deleted, but did get closed the next day for no reason (besides an in your face, bruised ego).

So for the year, I have 4 warnings and 40 points! :laughing:

[Delaware Mike]

Just to update: I still am not banned...yet. I did recently get another 10 points on September 1st. Got into a email exchange with one angry dentist, but on all my replies I copied all the other board moderators to keep the playing field level. Ultimately, I won the discussion, my 10 points stayed and the thread do not get deleted, but did get closed the next day for no reason (besides an in your face, bruised ego).

So for the year, I have 4 warnings and 40 points! :laughing:

tsk, tsk, Tom....

[tomandrobin]

tsk, tsk, Tom....

I am not a bad guy....really, Im not. :ang2:

[TrvlPrincess]

What did you do Tony to get this punishment?
I am just wondering....why are people banned there? I want to hear the "story" :idontgeti

[BWV Dreamin]

Just to update: I still am not banned...yet. I did recently get another 10 points on September 1st. Got into a email exchange with one angry dentist, but on all my replies I copied all the other board moderators to keep the playing field level. Ultimately, I won the discussion, my 10 points stayed and the thread do not get deleted, but did get closed the next day for no reason (besides an in your face, bruised ego).

So for the year, I have 4 warnings and 40 points! :laughing:

Hey, whats up with the warnings remaining on your CP...I mean its like a constant reminder that you were bad....if your times up, they need to clear that. Its like your never forgiven!!:thumbsway

[tammymacb]

So for the year, I have 4 warnings and 40 points! :laughing:



Geeze. I think I got 40 points in one DAY!

[TrvlPrincess]

I do not know if that was the site, but I used to post in one and I found the people and the language vulgar and very distasteful as well as the pictures posted, so i left that place. This is something I appreciate of MO!

[tomandrobin]

Geeze. I think I got 40 points in one DAY!

See that confirms that I am a nice guy!

[tomandrobin]

Hey, whats up with the warnings remaining on your CP...I mean its like a constant reminder that you were bad....if your times up, they need to clear that. Its like your never forgiven!!:thumbsway

They leave it on your cp as an easy way to track your "misbehavior".

[Grandbuddy]

I have to admit that I am so kind and mild-mannered that I have never received even a warning. (Even when I showed my truer colors and failed to be mild-mannered...but we won't discuss that. I am thinking no one was paying attention that day.)

[SSRFred]

What did you do Tony to get this punishment?
I am just wondering....why are people banned there? I want to hear the "story" :idontgeti

I heard that what Tony did was soooo awful that if you even mention his name you get points.
I also heard they're running a special promotion, all you have to do is agree with any of Tony's opinions and you get a Free Tooth drilling (Anesthesia unavailable, filling optional at extreme cost)

I voted what's the DIS. MO is Darwin's theory at work.

[TrvlPrincess]

I heard that what Tony did was soooo awful that if you even mention his name you get points.
I also heard they're running a special promotion, all you have to do is agree with any of Tony's opinions and you get a Free Tooth drilling (Anesthesia unavailable, filling optional at extreme cost)

I voted what's the DIS. MO is Darwin's theory at work.

Great comeback!!!

:lmbo::ROTFL::ROTFL::ROTFL:

[tomandrobin]

One of Tony's last threads is still going strong. Of course, I gave a bump up today to give it fresh life.

Kind of like picking at a scab that won't heal! :innocent:

[BWV Dreamin]

I have to admit that I am so kind and mild-mannered that I have never received even a warning. (Even when I showed my truer colors and failed to be mild-mannered...but we won't discuss that. I am thinking no one was paying attention that day.)

I was so surprised at my one and only warning....all I did was ask a question about who the person someone else was talking about...they must have been banned. WELL BAM... here comes a warning! I was like what? Why?

Now a few months ago, I posted "Ok, got my flame suit on, yada yada......" really threw it out there. Well nothin. I thought for sure I would get something. I guess it all depends on what day of the month it is......:jawdroppi

[bavaria]

I wear my warning with pride. I stood up for something in which I believe, and told someone something that they needed to hear.

Unfortunately the majority of my posts tend to come out far more reasoned and calm than I really intend, so I haven't been put in the naughty corner since! ;)

[suecait]

I picked what is DIS. I know what it is but have only checked it out a couple of times. MO is all I need. However, I have to admit I am tempted on going over just to get a warning or something. Sounds like fun. So if I just did a search of Greenban, would that be enough? (not to mention if all it takes is dis'n the Clintions is all it takes, I would be long gone....) :goodnevil

[minniekissedme]

I didn't get banned but I was warned for attempting to circumvent the filters by using "she who can't be named" for Shontell and dvcbyresale! When I questioned why she is filtered in this great land of free speech I was told Shontell peed in someone's Wheaties and those were the consequences.

I'll check in periodically with the Dad's Club there but most of the folks I grew up with in the world are now here!

LONG LIVE MO!!! :cheers2:

[tomandrobin]

I type "Mouse Owners" and got zapped once.

[minniekissedme]

I have something about the MOD Squad in my siggie on the dark side...that hasn't gotten me any points yet. I may have to get a bit more creative and maybe add a link or something and see what happens!

[tomandrobin]

The filters will not allow any reference to MouseOwners.

[wdw_forever]

it's funny how everytime I see a DISbanned in a signature, I wonder what that person did that was so bad... :blech::ang2:

I've never been banned and actually not working on it either. I only posted there as I was looking for DVC members from Quebec and wanted to know how they went through the whole process at first and so on. And I NEVER mentionned MO there :Paranoid:

[minniekissedme]

The filters will not allow any reference to MouseOwners.

it did allow m-o-u-s-e-o-w-n-e-r-s

[tammymacb]

Uh oh, Bob, if you went around the filters again, you too will find yourself banned..:innocent:

[minniekissedme]

Uh oh, Bob, if you went around the filters again, you too will find yourself banned..:innocent:

not yet...figured I may as well make it good if I'm going to get spanked.

[tomandrobin]

it did allow m-o-u-s-e-o-w-n-e-r-s

Well, I typed Mouse Owners to get around the filter and received 30 points and a stern warning for a filter violation.

[Steamboat Bill]

I just wanted to post again how ridiculous DIS boards is and I don't miss logging on there.

They are anal-retentive idiots (just the moderators)

[DVC Mike]

I have never been banned [yet :innocent:]. I understand how people who have been banned from a forum for what they feel were improper reasons would be upset at that forum.

However, I am continually surprised at the need for some people to constantly bash another board, including their moderators.

I respect the fact that many people who post here on MouseOwners also visit and post on other sites. I think the constant bashing of another Disney forum might make some of these posters feel uncomfortable in their visits here due to open abuse or criticism of other forums. Therefore, I refuse to join in bashing other forums. Of course, it's OK to bash SSR (just kidding :fresh:).

Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.

[Tinker]

Take it or leave it. :ROTFL:

I've never been a member of the Dis boards . I assume from DVC Mike's post that its another Disney forum . However, I am a member of two different other Disney forums and I have alot of friends on both sites . So, no, I've never been banned, but then I don't start trouble or get involved with those that do .

[bavaria]

I don't start trouble or get involved with those that do .

And here I thought that we could one day be friends....

Nice knowing you, Tinker! :Pokepoke:

But Mike I do agree that people have different reasons for posting in different places.

[Tinker]

And here I thought that we could one day be friends....

Nice knowing you, Tinker! :Pokepoke:

:ROTFL: I can be naughty if you want . :p

[greenban]

I have never been banned [yet :innocent:]. I understand how people who have been banned from a forum for what they feel were improper reasons would be upset at that forum.

However, I am continually surprised at the need for some people to constantly bash another board, including their moderators.

I respect the fact that many people who post here on MouseOwners also visit and post on other sites. I think the constant bashing of another Disney forum might make some of these posters feel uncomfortable in their visits here due to open abuse or criticism of other forums. Therefore, I refuse to join in bashing other forums. Of course, it's OK to bash SSR (just kidding :fresh:).

Just my two cents. Take it or leave it.

1) Thanks for the two cents! In this economy, I'll gladdly take them, got 2 more ? ;)

2) I personally really enjoy picking on WMD. I get tons of personal pleasure from it. Since I stopped kicking the dog (we really don't have one), Drinking, Stealing, and Red Bull shots, it's my one remaining vice. I don't plan on giving it up, soon if ever.

As far as relates to scaring off the Noobs, the tone, attacks and mysterious 'vanishings' at various other unamed sites, IMHO would be much more disinviting (pun not intended). YMMV!

-Tony

[Steamboat Bill]

However, I am continually surprised at the need for some people to constantly bash another board, including their moderators

How about we now start threads bashing DVC Mike?

Just kidding!

Seriously, I don't give a "you know what" about DIS, but I am constantly amazed at how many people get banned there and how they don;t let the "people" post anything slightly controversial....I guess the pixie dust is very heavy over there.

[greenban]

How about we now start threads bashing DVC Mike?

Just kidding!

Seriously, I don't give a "you know what" about DIS, but I am constantly amazed at how many people get banned there and how they don;t let the "people" post anything slightly controversial....I guess the pixie dust is very heavy over there.

IMHO the pixie dust has gone bad and turned into POOPIE dust!

-Tony

Please don't ban DVC-Mike Chapter President for New Jersey!

[Simba's Mom]

Although I haven't been banned (I did get a warning and get my post deleted a couple times over the years), I have noticed something here where there are a lot of Banned people. Everyone's so nice here, yet unfortunately I've encountered so many grumpy, snide, rude threads over there that I recently decided to ban myself before some of that rubs off on me. :scratchch So I wonder why people who are banned are so much friendlier than some of the rightous, unbanned.;)

[BWV Dreamin]

Although I haven't been banned (I did get a warning and get my post deleted a couple times over the years), I have noticed something here where there are a lot of Banned people. Everyone's so nice here, yet unfortunately I've encountered so many grumpy, snide, rude threads over there that I recently decided to ban myself before some of that rubs off on me. :scratchch So I wonder why people who are banned are so much friendlier than some of the rightous, unbanned.;)

Oh Simba's mom, I can't even imagine you getting a warning!! :goodvibes

[Simba's Mom]

Oh Simba's mom, I can't even imagine you getting a warning!! :goodvibes
Thanks so much, but when someone posted that "anyone who goes to WDW solo might as well paste a big 'L' for 'Loser' on their forehead'" well....That comment really pushed this solo visitor's Irish temper's button!

[BWV Dreamin]

Thanks so much, but when someone posted that "anyone who goes to WDW solo might as well paste a big 'L' for 'Loser' on their forehead'" well....That comment really pushed this solo visitor's Irish temper's button!

OMG, I can't believe someone actually wrote that!! Those boards been on my nerves the last couple of days....I felt a warning coming on, had to take a break! Yep, those posters can really push your buttons! :beer:

[salmoneous]

I have never been banned [yet :innocent:]. I understand how people who have been banned from a forum for what they feel were improper reasons would be upset at that forum.

However, I am continually surprised at the need for some people to constantly bash another board, including their moderators.

Mike - you totally misunderstand us. We aren't "upset" that we've been banned. As far as I can tell, we are all happy about it.

And we aren't necessarily bashing the Dentist (he's a Webmaster, right, not a Moderator) we are mocking the absurdity of a grown man throwing temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way and branding people with points and permanent bans. You may like it over there, but you've got to admit his behavior is deserving of mockery, no?

Oh, and for the person who asked what it takes to get banned, here's the post that did me in:

Answering a questions about banfest 2008, I replied

In a nutshell...

1) Well over a hundred folks have received permanent bans from the DIS in the last 6 weeks. Many of these were long time posters with thousands of posts. If you haven't heard from or seen posts from some of your friends lately, there's a good chance they got the permanent ban.

2) Some of the folks were banned for posting on some other internet baord - where folks often make fun of the DIS and posters here. Note that they weren't banned for attacking the DIS - they were banned for just being on that board. DIS posters aren't allowed to go to that site.

3) Many of the banned didn't post on that site - they were banned for complaining about the bannings. There were many threads starting here asking about the bannings, asking questions and complaining. Those threads were almost all poofed (not just locked, but made to disappear) and folks who participated often found themselves permanently banned.

4) The powers that be clearly don't walk folks talking about what happened, what the rules are regrading banning, or asking questions. Some folks have suggested asking questions via PM rather than public posts. That is also risky. Many folks reported being banned right after PM's with questions.

[Simba's Mom]

1) Well over a hundred folks have received permanent bans from the DIS in the last 6 weeks. Many of these were long time posters with thousands of posts. If you haven't heard from or seen posts from some of your friends lately, there's a good chance they got the permanent ban.



Wow! A hundred people?! I think it's so sad to think there are that many being banned from any site, I don't care which one. Or maybe they deserved to be banned, in which case I think it's really sad that there are that many people who seem to enjoy stirring up trouble. Either way, I'm amazed at the number!

[salmoneous]

Or maybe they deserved to be banned, in which case I think it's really sad that there are that many people who seem to enjoy stirring up trouble. Either way, I'm amazed at the number! I think my post was about par for the course for the folks that got banned. You can decide for yourself I "deserved to be banned".

After thinking about what I wrote earlier, I was too easy on the DIS Webmasters. They deserve to be bashed. While banfest was pretty much a joke to folks like me, there were a number of people who looked at the DIS as their social group. They had genuine friendships that extended beyond discussions of fastpasses and dining plans. When the bans starting raining down, folks were truly hurt and crying over lost friends. The capricious actions of the webmasters, and their paranoid attempts to erase all record of their actions, shouldn't just be mocked; it deserves to be scorned.

[robinb]

Wow! A hundred people?! I think it's so sad to think there are that many being banned from any site, I don't care which one. Or maybe they deserved to be banned, in which case I think it's really sad that there are that many people who seem to enjoy stirring up trouble. Either way, I'm amazed at the number!This is an incomplete list, but here it is:
http://delswife-stories.blogspot.com/2008/04/in-memory-of-fallen-disers-who-did.html

There are probably another 25 people since then for the same infraction: posting on a board that the DIS WM's don't agree with. And yes, they banned the DIS darling Delswife!

[Ransom]

This is an incomplete list, but here it is:
http://delswife-stories.blogspot.com/2008/04/in-memory-of-fallen-disers-who-did.html

There are probably another 25 people since then for the same infraction: posting on a board that the DIS WM's don't agree with. And yes, they banned the DIS darling Delswife!

What is this mysterious "other site" that people were posting to?

[salmoneous]

What is this mysterious "other site" that people were posting to?The UNDIS, in particular, the Circle of Sarcasm. http://theunoriginaldistroublemakersclub.yuku.com/directory

And to be clear - dispite claims from the DIS Webmasters - many (most?) folks banned during banfest 2008 were not banned for posting on that site. They were banned for complaining about the bannings, or even mentioning the bannings.

[robinb]

What is this mysterious "other site" that people were posting to?
It's called the UNDIS. Their "Circle of Sarcasm" board is a nasty, yet amusing, little place where they comment on threads and people on the DIS. Sometimes people get really mean over there and some UNDIS members have been known to go completely overboard and stalk DIS posters not just on the DIS but also in real life.

BE AWARE! If you take a link from the UNDIS to the DIS you stand a chance of being banned.

salmoneous, a LOT of people were indeed banned for posting on the UNDIS, especially in the beginning. The folks at the end were banned for complaining about people being banned.

[BWV Dreamin]

It's called the UNDIS. Their "Circle of Sarcasm" board is a nasty, yet amusing, little place where they comment on threads and people on the DIS. Sometimes people get really mean over there and some UNDIS members have been known to go completely overboard and stalk DIS posters not just on the DIS but also in real life.

BE AWARE! If you take a link from the UNDIS to the DIS you stand a chance of being banned.

salmoneous, a LOT of people were indeed banned for posting on the UNDIS, especially in the beginning. The folks at the end were banned for complaining about people being banned.

How does the DIS know who is posting on the UNDIS? Are they purposefully lurking there to see?

[salmoneous]

How does the DIS know who is posting on the UNDIS? Are they purposefully lurking there to see? Of course. What do you think DIS Webmasters do all day (when they aren't hunting down filter violations and making sure no precious DIS poster ever sees the name, "Greenban")

[robinb]

How does the DIS know who is posting on the UNDIS? Are they purposefully lurking there to see?I can only assume so. Some people had the same username on the DIS as on the UNDIS and they were banned. The DIS (any website, to be fair) also has the ability to determine the source URL from a clicked link and they used that information to also ban people who clicked on a link on the UNDIS.

Here is a description of what happened to start the mass bannings of April/May 2008:
http://dissedboards.com/thetruth.html

And here is what WM Alex had to say about it:
Oh heck! Sorry! I didn't know that the DISBOARDS was blocked here.

[Ransom]

Ah, thanks for the explanation.

Seems to me like the whole thing is pretty normal. I've been involved in online communications since the 80s, both using commercial services (at $8 per hour back then!) and running an independent bulletin board (and interacting with others who did the same -- some rivals, some friends). I've seen this sort of thing before, many times.

But at least now it's not a mystery to me any more. Now I understand it! Thank you.

[greenban]

Mike - you totally misunderstand us. We aren't "upset" that we've been banned. As far as I can tell, we are all happy about it.

And we aren't necessarily bashing the Dentist (he's a Webmaster, right, not a Moderator) we are mocking the absurdity of a grown man throwing temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way and branding people with points and permanent bans. You may like it over there, but you've got to admit his behavior is deserving of mockery, no?

Oh, and for the person who asked what it takes to get banned, here's the post that did me in:

Answering a questions about banfest 2008, I replied

In a nutshell...

1) Well over a hundred folks have received permanent bans from the DIS in the last 6 weeks. Many of these were long time posters with thousands of posts. If you haven't heard from or seen posts from some of your friends lately, there's a good chance they got the permanent ban.

2) Some of the folks were banned for posting on some other internet baord - where folks often make fun of the DIS and posters here. Note that they weren't banned for attacking the DIS - they were banned for just being on that board. DIS posters aren't allowed to go to that site.

3) Many of the banned didn't post on that site - they were banned for complaining about the bannings. There were many threads starting here asking about the bannings, asking questions and complaining. Those threads were almost all poofed (not just locked, but made to disappear) and folks who participated often found themselves permanently banned.

4) The powers that be clearly don't walk folks talking about what happened, what the rules are regrading banning, or asking questions. Some folks have suggested asking questions via PM rather than public posts. That is also risky. Many folks reported being banned right after PM's with questions.


Very well said indeed, I agree 100%.

I for one, revel in my bannedness!

I am happy that many like Sal and the 'Daves' have made it here, we have a richer set of forums for that!

If you consider my grapes to be bitter, don't drink my whine (pun intended), otherwise L'Chaim!

-Tony

[Richard Bruvofetc]

Lifetime ban for me. I had the audacity to suggest that one of the UK mods was acting in an unprofessional manner. :lmbo::ROTFL:

[kathleena]

During/After the Sept 2005 DVC Board fiasco, I went into a self-imposed ban. I was reading the boards still, but not posting. Then they came out with all the new rules and the warnings etc. Feeling like I was witnessing kindergarten, ad knowing it would just give some people more leeway to slap wrists for no reason, I moved on.

I had been the recipient of a few nasty PMs from said dentist over the years, none of which were warrented. Or should I say, none of which were anything I didn't see any of the "favorites" doing all the time, like saying "I just sent you a PM" (oh the horror of it all, post and use the letters PM in the same post!).

Very interesting read about the 2008 banning. Not surprised to came to that, all in all, I just think it is their choice to treat people and act the way they do. They don't answer to anyone and ultimately don't have to.

[momeja]

Not banned, but definitely silenced. Does that count? :veryconfu