Can you have 5 people in a studio or 1br?

[mylizard]

I am a Mom with 3 kids - 7, 5, 3 - anyway, can you get away with having 5 people stay in a 1 br or studio? Does it matter? They are little kids, any thoughts?

[carolina_yankee]

I believe the "legal" answer is studio and 1 bedrooms accommodate four, except for Animal Kingdom Villas where some 1 bedrooms (Kidani Village) can accommodate five, with the fifth in a sleeper chair.

You can also add a 5th to the current studios and 1 BRs if it is a child under a certain age. I think 3 may be the cut off. Not sure.

Beyond those guidelines, if you do squeeze in a 5th and get away with it, that 5th person cannot have a keycard since the resort won't recognize their presence.

Dirk

[Stimpy]

I just spoke with MS about this the other day. They will allow 5 people in a 1BR, will provide a key for all 5, all 5 can use extra magic hours, DDP etc. But will not provide bedding for the 5th person. I know they have done this in the past and thought they may have discontinued it since AKV opened but they still allow it.

Yes, the age of 3 is the cutoff for the studio. (4 people plus 1 under age 3)

We decided to upgrade to a 2BR anyway just for space reasons though. (3 adults 2 kids) But I will add that the CM was adamant that we could do 5 in a 1BR and tried to talk me into staying in the 1 we had reserved already.

[gblast123]

If you tell them that your 3 yo is 3 yo, then they, officially count that as a "person" in your room.

If you tell them that you have a 2 1/2 y.o., then they, offically, do not count that as a person.

So if you tell them that you have two adults, two children and a 2 1/2 y.o., that is OK.

Connect your own dots and make your own decisions.

BTW, 3 y.o. pay for park admission, 2 1/2 y.o. do not.

I guess it depends on your willingness to ....... give full and accurate disclosure.

Personally, I never understood these maximums...perhaps to comply with firecode regs, etc...but somehow you can fit 5 officially if you stay in the same room as a hotel room...but if it is DVC...illegal....I don't understand it either.

I never counsel people to break the rules and nothing I have said here should be interpreted to encourage you to break meaningless, irrational or utterly ridiculous and stupid rules designed to make Disney bundles of cash.:fingerscr

Good luck and enjoy your next vacation

[Deb & Bill]

Occupancy rules are based on fire regulations. Too many people in a room and you have a big problem should a fire occur.

It's irresponsible to advise people to break the rules.

Technically, only AKV has one bedrooms that sleep five. However, Member Services will currently allow a fifth person aged three or over in a one bedroom that sleeps four, but not a studio. They will not provide the towels or bedding for the fifth person. You'll have to provide your own. DVC will not provide cots or rollaways.

[gblast123]

Occupancy rules are based on fire regulations. Too many people in a room and you have a big problem should a fire occur.

It's irresponsible to advise people to break the rules.



I totally agree, we should draw and quarter anyone who advises people to break irrational rules...string them up....absolutely no-one should even speak about such things...NOT!

You cannot be serious!?!?

This brings to mind those historical rule breakers like Marting Luther King and Mahatma Ghandi and even those rebellious lawbreakers like the Constitutional Convention in 1776 who commited treason against the English Crown...and risked death by breaking the rules, which were fundamentally unjust or simply didn't make any sense.

Now I'm just a little toad, and do not in any way compare myself to those historical figures, but our great nation was created and sustained by people who saw unjust rules and changed them.

I forget who said it but to paraphrase "Rules cannot be allowed to govern reason, reason must be used to govern, change or break irrational rules"

Of course, nothing here should be construde as any attempt on my part to advise anyone to break the rules...we should all be good little sheep and listen to the benign despot otherwise known as DVC.:king:

[kirotank]

We slept 2 a - 3 ch in a BWV 1 bdrm last week and did just fine. Even had the bell hop carry our air mattress out.

REVOLUTION!!!:goodnevil

[ErinC]

They will let you do 5 in a one bedroom no problem, we've done it several times. Just to let you know they do have studios at BWV called studio plus. I have had several report that they were allowed to book these studios for 5 people. These studios have a "daybed" and I use that term loosely. It looks more like a padded bench. Not something my kids would probably want to sleep on. Anyway, the big thing is they will let you request the studio plus, but they don't guarantee that you will get it. But people have reported being able to legally put 5 in these studios. I haven't tried it yet, but my next door neighbor was able to book it for their family of 5 (two adults, 3 kiddos).

[Deb & Bill]

I totally agree, we should draw and quarter anyone who advises people to break irrational rules...string them up....absolutely no-one should even speak about such things...NOT!

You cannot be serious!?!?

This brings to mind those historical rule breakers like Marting Luther King and Mahatma Ghandi and even those rebellious lawbreakers like the Constitutional Convention in 1776 who commited treason against the English Crown...and risked death by breaking the rules, which were fundamentally unjust or simply didn't make any sense.

Now I'm just a little toad, and do not in any way compare myself to those historical figures, but our great nation was created and sustained by people who saw unjust rules and changed them.

I forget who said it but to paraphrase "Rules cannot be allowed to govern reason, reason must be used to govern, change or break irrational rules"

Of course, nothing here should be construde as any attempt on my part to advise anyone to break the rules...we should all be good little sheep and listen to the benign despot otherwise known as DVC.:king:

Ha, ha, ha. You are so funny, blastman. Give me a fast pass or give me death. :hahahaha:

Actually, I guess you have never seen people die in a hotel fire. I have.

[gblast123]

Ha, ha, ha. You are so funny, blastman. Give me a fast pass or give me death. :hahahaha:

Actually, I guess you have never seen people die in a hotel fire. I have.

Wow, you are really making me think.... that the both of you are total buffoons.

Not only that, but, having worked at the NYC Office of the Chief Medical Examiners, I am fairly familiar with the cause and manner of death, including hotel fires. So I am willing to match my working knowledge of of the cause and manner of death of people in all fires, including hotel fires with yours, any day, any time. Not only that, but I am willing to bet that you have never done an autopsy on someone who died in a hotel fire...., I have.

So save your FUD (fear, uncertainty and Doubt) for the Dis... MouseOwners is a much better place which allows people to call things as they see them.

Are you saying the Disney, as a Hotel is unsafe? Because they allow 5 or more people in a room, and provide bedding, etc. Even though this "violates" the DVC rule of 4 per studio/ 1 Br. Same room, but a different set of rules as a hotel, versus a DVC member.

The DVC rule is an artificial rule that limits 4 people only in a 1 bedroom or studio.. and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with fire regulations.

Alternatively, Disney must be violating the fire regulations every single day....

Either way, you have simply shown, by your posts that you really don't have a clue...and not only that, you are trying to scare people for no reason at all.

If there was any doubt about that, your last post just removed that doubt.

David

[greenban]

Ha, ha, ha. You are so funny, blastman. Give me a fast pass or give me death. :hahahaha:

Actually, I guess you have never seen people die in a hotel fire. I have.

With all due respect, I have seen people die at the scene as a FF-PM and also under my care in the ER, and I would never minimize the importance of fire safety anywhere or anytime,

BUT you can not for a second believe that DVD set occupancy limits based on a real or imagined fire code.

If they did, why are 5 formally allowed in AKV one bedrooms which are smaller than OKW 1 bedrooms which still have a formal limit of 4?

How can a larger OKW 2 Bedroom unit have the same limits as a much smaller (sq ft) BCV 2 Bedroom unit.

Why are 5 formally allowed in certain POR rooms which are much smaller than any DVC studio (I know I slept in one), and when the trundle bed is in use, it blocks access to the only door (i.e. escape route) from that small room.

So, no one can say honestly or with a straight face (except perhaps WMD, sorry Carol!) that fire codes have ANYTHING to do with DVC occupancy limits, they don't!

-Tony

[goofy4mickey]

They will allow 5 people in a 1BR, will provide a key for all 5, all 5 can use extra magic hours, DDP etc. But will not provide bedding for the 5th person. I know they have done this in the past and thought they may have discontinued it since AKV opened but they still allow it.

Yep - definitely confirmed - we do it alot with our kids.

So, no one can say honestly or with a straight face (except perhaps WMD, sorry Carol!) that fire codes have ANYTHING to do with DVC occupancy limits, they don't!

Thanks goodness - we have actually put 6 people in a 1 bedroom - 2 adults, 3 kids and 17 mo old. (although he gets his own room - the closet fits a pack'n play perfectly. :hahahaha: ) We do normally get 2 bedrooms when all 4 kids are with us, but the oldest is in college now so we don't plan on her coming with us as much anymore, but when she can make it, we squish. :hahahaha: We have air mattresses & bedding in our owner's locker just in case.

[tony1mary]

I have 3 kids to but just a littel bit older, 24, 21, and 18 and we fit in a OKW 1 bedroom just fine. DVC was OK with it. A studio might be tight.
Tony

I am a Mom with 3 kids - 7, 5, 3 - anyway, can you get away with having 5 people stay in a 1 br or studio? Does it matter? They are little kids, any thoughts?

[bababear]

Did yah ever read a post and want to shout yes and do a little cheer?

Luv yah David and Mr Froggy. :D

Hugs Mel:clappingh

[Stimpy]

Did yah ever read a post and want to shout yes and do a little cheer?

Luv yah David and Mr Froggy. :D

Hugs Mel:clappingh

:thumbsup:
While I don't agree with the name-calling David, I do agree with the sentiments . I think Tony stated it quite nicely.

[IspeakWhale]

When we purchased I really "grilled" my guide about the 5 people in a 1 BR issue because I had been on the other board and had the "fear put in me".

Being very new to the whole DVC thing I wasn't sure who/what to believe. My guide assured me that 5 will be allowed in 1brs going forward (not just AKV) and that if I could gain access somehow to floorplans of DVCs being built :shhh: I would see that sleeper chairs were being added to the new resorts to accomodate the 5th person. ;)

He went so far as even stating that if I ever had an issue with it that he would step up to the plate for us with MS. He also stated that he himself has put 5 in the "studio plus" rooms at BWV and that although they are not a booking category, if 5 are on the reservation they will always get that dedicated studio.

Furthermore, he stated that DVC occupancy limits have absolutley nothing to do with fire codes.
I'm glad that I pushed this issue with him because now I have peace of mind. For now, we are very content "squishing" into a 900 sq. ft. 1 BR :grouphug:

[Deb & Bill]

For the record, fire codes have little to do with the space inside the hotel room. They have much more to do with the width of the corridor, the width of the stairwells and the number of stairs to exit. The calculations for these are based on the number of people in each room and the amount of space each person requires to exit.

So while a CM said that the occupancy at DVC is not based on fire codes, I'd bet that CM has no idea about fire codes and is more interested in making a sale.

Ispeakwhale, unless you got it in writing from that guide and Jim Lewis himself (or his DVC attorney) signed it, you guide could be gone tomorrow.

[gblast123]

For the record, fire codes have little to do with the space inside the hotel room. They have much more to do with the width of the corridor, the width of the stairwells and the number of stairs to exit. The calculations for these are based on the number of people in each room and the amount of space each person requires to exit.

So while a CM said that the occupancy at DVC is not based on fire codes, I'd bet that CM has no idea about fire codes and is more interested in making a sale.

Ispeakwhale, unless you got it in writing from that guide and Jim Lewis himself (or his DVC attorney) signed it, you guide could be gone tomorrow.

I thank you for finally admitting that the ridiculous DVC occupancy rules have litte/nothing to do with fire code regulations!!

[JimP]

We have never personally gone over occupancy of a DVC room... but if I needed to, I would do it without hesitation.

The reason that I do not is because of comfort... not because of the DVC rules. I personally consider the following as optimal regarding occupancy:

Studio - emergency housing only
1BR - perfect for 2... undesireable for more
2BR - perfect for a family of up to 6 (4 or fewer kids)
GV - Perfect for us (DW and I) and our two girls and their families (assuming they have them someday)

Now for reality:

We have stayed in studios... and it never our first choice... and we will probably do so again someday reluctantly.

We have had our 2 girls with us in a 1BR... and although we would not enjoy it... we would probably do it again if necessary... providing a 2BR was not available, or if we didn't have the points

2BR - perfect for the 4 of us... and OK if one of the girls bring their BF's along... providing he wakes up early, is neat, and the hide-a-bed put away before we see it being open.

GV - outside of the planning horizon for my immediate family... but it would be fun to bring extended family along.

/Jim

[IspeakWhale]

Not quite sure what you mean by this...

Ispeakwhale, unless you got it in writing from that guide and Jim Lewis himself (or his DVC attorney) signed it, you guide could be gone tomorrow.


But frankly, it's not worth pursuing.

[my3weasels]

So when you book your stay, you just ask if it's okay to put 5 in a 1 bedroom?

Stacie

[Deb & Bill]

So when you book your stay, you just ask if it's okay to put 5 in a 1 bedroom?

Stacie

Yep, that's what you do. But only AKV will provide the towels and bedding for the fifth person (unless you get an AKV Value one bedroom villa - they only sleep four).