MouseOwners 07 Marathon Team?

[PoohsPal]

OK, we've had lots of interest, now let's go!

Before last March, I had not run in 15 years. DH and I used John Binham's MArathoning for mortals and ran the entire full marathon this year. You can walk it too, if you can keep up a 16 minute per mile pace. (EIther full or half) If I could get my lazy butt across the finish line, we all can! I highly recommend reading Mel's 1/2 Tr for all of those interested. It's very inspiring. Most of all, it's a very healthy lifestyle change. Feel free to ask questions here!

Mouseowners Team as of 3/6

:donald: (half)

withDisneySpirit - Lisa
Nono & "h"
Chimera - Mel
Cruise-o-matic & dw

:bouncingm (full)
AmyBeth68 - Amy
Poohspal - Carrie & dh

:bouncegoo (both :eek: )
Disneymooner93 - Pete

Maybes:
JenD
JimMIA
JohnNJ

[AmyBeth68]

Congratulations on the marathon. You must be sooo proud of yourselves. I'm in awe...I've never been a runner and a 5K hurts me pretty bad LOL. I just can't imagine being able to run a marathon. MAJOR KUDOS TO YOU!!!!!

[PoohsPal]

Amy - I couldn't imagine it either. One step at a time got me there, though. You can walk it or do a walk jo combo. I bet you could do the half by 07 for sure!

[nono]

Carrie,

Count me as a maybe. We want to...we are planning to train. For the 1/2. It's two round trips to the tip of the island from our house for 13 miles...so obviously we've been talking about it. :hyper:

Toddler issues may be our only killjoy factor on this. :confused:

[PoohsPal]

nono -I can't helpo you for traning. That's tough, but if dh and I both do teh full, we'll watch the toddler while you run. SS# and references to follow via pm. lol.

[AmyBeth68]

You guys have me really thinking. I'm with nono though.....the 1/2 is about my limit LOL. Actually 3 miles is my limit right now.

I'll have to try to find that book. But Carrie, can you give me a general idea of how you began training? Does he work you up really gradually LOL. And how many days per week do you need to run during training? THANKS!

[withdisneyspirit]

My DH is gonna freak if I start talking much about this, but I would really like to start out with a goal for the half marathon. You eased my mind a bit by talking about the needed pace. I am thinking seriously about this...

I really think I should get some extra weight off too to make it easier on my joints to do this, no pressure, Lisa, hah!:faint:

[lllovell]

I want do to this soooooooooo badly, but I dont think that I have the time to train with 3 children under 6 at home (one of which needs me there for nursing). I am planning on getting in shape this year, so hopefully that will provide me with incentive for 2008.

Can you tell me about the application process Carrie? When is it open and what sort of deadlines are we looking at?

Laura

[DSNY FN]

Well Lisa and I are planning on doing the half but that won't be till 08 as we will have just gotten home a couple weeks before the 07 one is to take place. As much as I would love to hop back in the car to go down for the race I think my employer would have something to say about it LOL.

[jiggerj]

OMG! I have always wanted to do this but never thought that I would be able to accomplish it. You guys might be just the motivation that I need. The "07 one is the day (I believe) before my dds birthday too- I am going to follow this thread like a baby duck! :)

[nono]

nono -I can't helpo you for traning. That's tough, but if dh and I both do teh full, we'll watch the toddler while you run. SS# and references to follow via pm. lol.

Carrie,

What a brave woman you are! ha ha ha!!! We have one jogging stroller, so for now, we're fine. It's just if our adoption :whatababy comes through before next marathon that we'd have issues, I'm guessing. Maybe not. Well, let's just put us down now for the 1/2, as I think we can pull that off. If we lived our lives trying to plan for unforeseen circumstances, we'd never get anywhere!

BTW, never thought I'd get a chance to use the smiley above.

[AmyBeth68]

Nono....not to be too nosey but do you live at the beach here in NJ? I spend part of my summer "down the shore". If you aren't too far from where I am maybe we could do some runs together when I'm there in the summer. That is if I ever make the full commitment to do the 1/2 marathon LOL. It would give me some incentive.

Can you tell I'm looking to find some people to run with. I need company!!!!:thumbsup:

[nono]

Wildwood Island, AB!

[AmyBeth68]

Oh darn nono....you are REALLY very southern new jersey LOL! I'm up at LBI which is pretty far north comparatively. But Wildwood is such a cool place to live! So many of my friends vacation down by you!!! :)

[nono]

I used to live in Fort Lee and Wildwood was my weekend place. Talk about a hike!

Anyway, I'll stop up for a run if it'll get you motivated to join the team! LBI's only 60 miles away. This time of year, that's like 35 min on the Garden State Parkway...:shhh:

[Deep-Thots]

Hey nono -- you used to live in Fort Lee? I live in Waldwick!! Okay, I'm done being off-topic now. Bad Kim! Bad, bad Kim!! :tsktsk: :tsktsk:

[chimera]

Wow...it's cool to see everyone getting excited about going the distance :cheerlead I'll try to answer questions from my perspective doing the half as a non-runner.

(Apologies to Carrie who's seen this about a 1000 times before;) )

Why I decided to do a half marathon: swimming at the shallow end of the gene pool. My mom is diabetic with high cholesterol, high blood pressure and her first heart attack at age 50. Her dad didn' t live long enough to become diabetic...started having heart attacks in his late 30s til he died of stroke at age 42. I didn't do a good job of losing weight after two kids (DD13 and DDalmost3). I weighed 180lbs on Nov 1, 2004. I started exercising occasionally...we have a treadmill and I worked up to 1.75 miles at a 21 min/mile pace. I really needed a reason to exercise...just doing it for my health wasn't cutting it. I never knew people that looked like me did marathons or half marathons...til I found a group of women who were training to walk the half. I was on the track team in middle school, played basketball in high school and 'jungle volleyball' in college, but I was NEVER a runner. I HATED running distances, but I figured I could certainly walk it.

I bought the Marathoning for Mortals book and another one called the Non-Runner's Marathon Trainer. I started 'training to train', getting more conditioned so that I'd be physically prepared for the intensity of training. WDW has a 16 min mile pace requirement and I was really, really afraid I'd be swept. They have buses and vans that pull you off the course if you're not keeping up the minimum pace. I did my first race ever last March...a 1 mile with a finish time of 16:28. I kept going and worked up to 3 miles a day, 4 days a week. I did 3 5Ks from May to Sept, improving my finish time from 49 min to 41 min. I felt pretty beat up after my first 5K, but when I got home from the last one, DH commented that it looked like I'd only been out for a stroll:sunny: .

I started the actual training from MFM at the end of July. Like Carrie, I kinda modified the schedule to suit my purposes. I chose the walk/run schedule and doubled the weeks so that I would do each of the training weeks twice. I did that for the mental aspect...I wanted to be sure that I was trained up and if I had to miss a long run for any reason, I knew that I'd have a second one to make it up. The other thing I did differently for the mental stuff...I added a 12 mile run. Most training programs max at a 10 mile run before tapering for the race. I was afraid that mentally, I'd feel less confident, so I used my extra 10 mile week and made it a 12 instead. By that time, my pace was consistently up in the neighborhood of a 14 min mile. I trained with intervals, walking for 3 min, then running for 2. My half finish pace was 14:26 and I placed 9000 something in a field of 16000.

The one thing I didn't do enough of was cross-train. With two kids and working full-time, that was the one thing that just didn't happen. The MFM schedule calls for 2 days of cross-training with 3 days walking/running and two days of rest. (Amy...your kickboxing sounds perfect :thumbsup: ) That's one goal for me for next year, so I'll be trying to get to the Y at least one day weekly.

Bad knees, ankles, etc. I remained remarkably injury-free during the entire year. I did have a problem with shin splints that was corrected with new shoes. Best thing you can do before starting training is get good shoes. Go to a running store or a podiatrist and get your gait evaluated so you know what type shoe will be best for you. My biggest issue with the long distances was a bad ankle. It's been a problem since I was a teenager. After a good day walking around EPCOT, I've woken up the next morning and couldn't walk (literally) until I worked out the stiffness. I was surprised that I didn't have any problems with it at all til I got to the higher mileage runs (9 miles and more). Icing it after a run helped...Carrie can tell you about the virtues of a cold water soak, but I was too chicken too try it :brrrrrr: I was sore after the half, but brought an ankle brace and had worked out the ankle by Sunday afternoon.

I did train alone, but with an online support group for advice and atta-boys. It was a bit surreal to suddenly run with 16,000 new friends the morning of the half. I do think it affected my time a bit since there was a lot of dodging and weaving early on, but I was there more to finish than set a world record pace ;)

Oh...weight loss. I expected the weight to just melt away with all the increase in exercise. Unfortunately, the increased exercise made me more hungry :headscrat I did lose about 18 to 20 pounds over the past year, but I've still got 25 to 30 to go. One of my goals for this year is better nutrition to complement my training...not just eating like a fool 'cause I just ran 8 miles ;)

Registration for both races closed around Aug or Sept last year. When you register, be sure to put in an estimated finish time. I had no idea what that was when I registered, but it's how they assign you into your corrals on race morning. If you don't put in a time, you're in the last corral.

I think that's probably more than y'all wanted to know about me in one setting so I'll stop. I would love to have a Mouseowners team to train with, so I'll count on seeing all of you registering soon ;)

Oh...and I never lived in NJ...FL cracker, born and raised :sunny:

[nono]

Hey nono -- you used to live in Fort Lee? I live in Waldwick!! Okay, I'm done being off-topic now. Bad Kim! Bad, bad Kim!! :tsktsk: :tsktsk:

Kim,

Personally, I love thread drift. :chat: But, you could have pretended to be on topic with a sentence like "Did you ever run on the GWB?" :laughing: GWB = George Washington Bridge for those of you who are NJ-challenged.

Ah, you are north of a town I think I'll live in when the kids are in high school: Ridgewood. (They have a nice running track there).

Mel,

Thanks for the info on how you trained. I just broke the news to my husband at dinner that we're in for 2007. He said, "2007? Or 2008?" I said, "2007." He said, "OK." Heck, he used to run the "Bay to Breakers" in San Francisco, which is a 12K race. I've done, um, let's see, 2 miles for about 10 weeks two years ago. I've been athletic all my life, though, so I should be able to do this. My demon will be my head, not my body.

[JimMIA]

I chose the walk/run schedule and doubled the weeks so that I would do each of the training weeks twice. I did that for the mental aspect...I wanted to be sure that I was trained up and if I had to miss a long run for any reason, I knew that I'd have a second one to make it up. The other thing I did differently for the mental stuff...I added a 12 mile run. Most training programs max at a 10 mile run before tapering for the race. I was afraid that mentally, I'd feel less confident, so I used my extra 10 mile week and made it a 12 instead.This is a classic and priceless lesson for newbies. When you start making modifications in a trusted training schedule because the changes fit your body and mind...you have truly become an endurance athlete. Only endurance athletes recognize the benefits of changing a trusted plan someone wrote a book about, fer crying out loud! She did exactly the right thing, for exactly the right reason, and was a stronger, smarter athlete for doing so.

[withdisneyspirit]

Yes, thanks, Mel for that wonderful write-up on your last year decisions and training! I loved it! I mentioned the marathon to my husband today. I don't think he understood what I want!!!! We'll have to talk again...:chat:

[AmyBeth68]

Mel! :worship:

THANK YOU so much for giving us those great details of your training and challenges. I'm really in awe of you guys.

I think we officially have a MouseOwners marathon group!!! Here are my personal action items...

1. Buy the two books (Mel, I was looking to buy the non-runners marathon book, glad you thought it was good as well).

2. Buy new running shoes (mine are shot and weren't any good to begin with)

3. Plan my training...and register for the marathon as well as a few short races.

THANK YOU so much Carrie, Mel and Jim for your words of encouragement and thoughtful insight, it's greatly appreciated. This has me excited and nervous all at the same time. :hyper:

[jnrrt]

Well, I've never thought of doing any of this ever in my life. Your enthusiasm is catching and the catching part is starting to scare me a little!

Once upon a time, I walked 10 miles. That was a very long time ago. I'm not so much into distance anything except for swimming, in which I seem to be able to swim forever. And everything has gone way downhill since I had kids because you have to do something with them before you can leave. Details.

There's no way we'll be in WDW next January, but I'm going to watch you all with interest. You've got me thinking about 2008. We plan to be there in January anyway.

I can't believe I just typed that.

[Deep-Thots]

Amy -- people actually work in Allendale??? I mean, I've driven through it (it's literally the town next door), but I was never aware there was any industry there. Oak Ridge is a bit further off 208, right?

nono -- Yes, Ridgewood is literally the next town over, south. It is very snooty. But they do have a good school system.

Back on topic. Have I ever mentioned that I once tried to run for five whole months, every single day, but never could get the hang of it? I actually even bought a treadmill to try to train myself (and yes, I USED IT!!!), but when I got married and moved, we had to hire a service to come and cut it up in pieces (with gigantous power tools) to get it out of the old house because it couldn't be disassembled. Oh well. Now, it's the stepper for me. So, while I love the *idea* of running, I actually hate the *fact* of running. I admire y'all, however.

Okay, carry on.

Kim

[AmyBeth68]

Amy -- people actually work in Allendale??? I mean, I've driven through it (it's literally the town next door), but I was never aware there was any industry there. Oak Ridge is a bit further off 208, right?

LOL....he works in a small office complex....down near the racket club and community pool. There are a few office buildings there. He works for a small company that is part of a large German manufacuring company, they are basically the US sales and technical team for the German company. It's a very residential town, so it is weird that there are ANY corporate offices there LOL. But they are tucked back there by the train tracks.

[JimMIA]

2. Buy new running shoes (mine are shot and weren't any good to begin with)Buy your running shoes at a running store...not Sports Authority or Wal Mart. Buy from a runner who understands what you need and what they are selling, not from a salesman.

All of the major brands are high quality, but they each differ in some ways. There's no such thing as a "best running shoe," it's a question of what works best for you and your running. I've owned some wonderful shoes that were awful for me, and I've had some that were great for 10K racing, but not for distance training.

Also, running shoes may last a lifetime walking around WDW, but when you're pounding them on the pavement, they wear out quickly. You will have to buy new shoes more often than you think...but the alternative is injury. Don't skimp on shoes.

[PoohsPal]

Kim - One big problem was likely that you did not reat. Your muscles need rest days to recover.

Mel - I love your story! I coudl never read it too much.

jnrrt - You can do it!

OK people, around this time last year, I posted elsewhere that I was dreaming of running the full marathon. 8 days ago, I accomplished that dream. For those of you who have dh's to convince, mine thanked me even before we had started to recover.

nono - Awesome!!!!! :dust: for your adoption. We have 1 niece and 6 nephews. We can take on 2! (Not for more than 1 day, though. ;) )

You guys are getting me more excited! I'm startign to have goofy thoughts. WHat happened to me?????

[AmyBeth68]

Good news.....two of the girls in my cardio-kickboxing class are marathon runners. One of them lives in my neighborhood :cool: . Both happen to be training for a 1/2 in June and want to help me out... the one has even offered me the use of her treadmill on bad weather days!

I've ordered both "Marathoning for Mortals" and "The Non-Runners Marathon Trainer" books as well as an inspirational book about 1st time marathon runners. Figured I could use the inspiration LOL! Plus it got me free shipping on amazon so basically paid for itself ;).

My DH does NOT think I'm crazy, though he has not committed to train with me. But it sounds like I have some good resources and these girls in my class are really good athletes. The one is taking me to a special store for my sneakers....owned by a runner I think. I'm sure I"ll pay the big bucks but hopefully it will be worthwhile!

[PoohsPal]

Woo hoo Amy!!!

The big bucks are worth it, at least for the first time. Shoes are so important! Once you find one that works for you, you may be able to get them cheaper online, but go with someone who knows running and shoes the first time.

I'm so excited for you!!!:clappingh

[AmyBeth68]

(((HUGS)))) Thanks Carrie. You and Mel have really inspired me to do something I've ALWAYS thought I would do someday but never had the courage to begin. I just never felt confident or motivated enough. I've already talked to my DH about booking DVC for the marathon and he's sooooo into the idea.

I think if I keep following through I can make this a reality. But I'm wayyy too nervous to try for the full marathon so I think I'll stick with 1/2. I am planning to run a 5K in the spring and a 10 K in the summer in preparation. YIKES!!! :scary:

[PoohsPal]

A half is a huge accomplishment. One I know you can do, but it's huge. Probably very good choice for a first.

[nono]

Last night while out getting blitzed on my 2 glasses of wine, we ran into two owners of two different gyms, both who are going to team together to get DH and I ready. One is going to develop the program gratis, and the other is giving us a free month of gym usage to kick start our training. I guess we're committed. :clappingh

[AmyBeth68]

:kickingco Way to go NONO!!!!! We're in it now! ;) Are you guys going for the full or half?

Also...where is everyone "hoping" to stay during marathon weekend?

Carrie/Mel: How many days did you stay at WDW when you were down there for the marathon? I think we can probably only do a long weekend.

[Jen D]

Okay, officially joining this thread! I seriously doubt I'll make it to WDW in January 2007, although 2008 might be an option. But it has always been my dream to run the New York City marathon. I really want to do it and right now my goal is to do it before I turn 40. I just turned 35, so I have a little time, but I'd like to do it sooner rather than later. I just need a starting point and some more realistic goals before I hit that one. And I need shoes! The shoes I have now are good for the gym but I need some proper running shoes that can withstand some abuse.

Like others... the toddler has been holding me back! Right now I'm only really getting exercise done on weekends-- mostly just at the Y, I do 35 minutes wither on the treadmill or elliptical trainer and then I spend about 10-15 minutes with weights. I just need to start getting up early to start running. And I need some shorter term goals-- maybe a 5K in the spring.

Hmmm.. maybe doing the 1/2 in Jan 2007 isn't such a crazy plan after all.... since I just bought into DVC I have a point surplus (2005 points)... might be a good place to spend.... :scratchch Then I can shoot for NYC in November 2007....

Really looking forward to participating in this thread and taking this journey with you folks...

[AmyBeth68]

Welcome Jen!

I'm not an expert but I'd say the first step is a goal and you definitely have one. That is awesome!

There are tons of 5K races in the spring and summer in the NY/NJ area. I actually think there is a Randall's Island 5K held at the end of March. You can probably google it to read about the course, etc.

I'm planning on a 5K on March 19th so I have a short-term goal. I'm hoping to find a Sept/Oct 10K and then kick into my full out 1/2 marathon training.

I've never been a "runner", but I want to be one :). This thread is a great start! LOADS of inspiration and super advice.

[PoohsPal]

Woo hoo Jen and nono!! :woohoo:

I'm thinking of renting some BWV points, but I have to decide soon to get a SV. I'm pointless for a while. I liked SSR, but as long as I need to rent....


I stayed until Friday, but Mel did Thursday afternonn to Sun and was back to work Monday morning. :yuck:

[JohnNJ]

But it has always been my dream to run the New York City marathon.

That was my dream also. I did it in '99 and it was great. I'm trying to convince my wife to do the half with me but she's pushing for 2008. I told her she could easily be ready for 2007 but she's never been a runner so it's kind of a mental block. I'll keep trying.

The newbies may want to check out Jeff Galloway's site -

http://www.jeffgalloway.com/

He's an Olympian and Runner's World columnist. He promotes a run/walk method of training for and running a marathon. He strives to keep you injury free, which is a big problem for newbies who get a little ahead of themselves. From his site:

* Designer of the walk-run, low mileage marathon training program-with an over 98% success rate Jeff Galloway spends the time necessary to answer the questions of thousands of beginners, recreational runners, aspiring marathoners and time goal runners-every year.

John

[PoohsPal]

Thanks for the link John! Many people that ran this year used his plans too.

Would telling your dw she could walk i thelp?

[AmyBeth68]

Thanks John....I stumbled on his site myself and was curious about it. I'll look into it further. I like the injury-free idea :Paranoid: .

Tell your DW to check out this thread....she might be inspired. I'm NOT a runner and never have been. But I have wanted to start for so long...this thread convinced me that I could do it.

Also, John, I know I've asked you before but where in NJ are you? We're up north in Oak Ridge :howudoin: .

[JohnNJ]

Would telling your dw she could walk it help?

I tried that but she's still in denial. I know she can do it.

When I was training for the NYC Marathon I remember thinking that 13.1 miles was so easy. The training runs were 20 miles. I'm not sure I could make it around the block today so I wouldn't mind walking the half. I'll keep pushing her a little more every day.:goodnevil

I guess I have to book a room at BWV soon.

John

[Jen D]

Thanks John! I have to keep a folder for all my running bookmarks.

It occurs to me that WDW's marathon weekend is one of the worst times for us to travel to the World... has a business trip he takes every January, and during the week after the marathon is the time for all the big tests that all the public schools give, so dd can't miss school. But we'll see. I'll hang around so you guys can keep me inspired... there are plenty of half-marathons around here I can do if I can't make it to the Mouse.

[chimera]

And some websites for further running/walking info:
http://www.runnersworld.com
http://www.coolrunning.com
http://www.halhigdon.com
http://www.running4women.com/
http://www.runnergirl.com/index.shtml
http://www.katherineswitzer.com/fitness.html
http://www.irongirl.com
http://www.marathonguide.com
The John Bingham site:
http://www.waddleon.com/


We stayed at BCV, which was a great location. Part of the full marathon course was right there at the resort, so great for cheering for the full participants. They opened the Int'l Gateway at 8am. My family was able to get to the finish line to wait for me since I wasn't expecting to finish til after 9.

If anyone's interested, there's the Women Run the World weekend May 5 - 7. There's going to be a 1 mile, a 5K and a 15K they're calling the Minnie marathon. I'll be there!

[chimera]

I'm back in training for the Sarasota half marathon in March. Did 3.2 miles last night at a 14 min/mile pace!

[PoohsPal]

Woo hoo Mel! I'm still struggling a bit with my runs, but I figure slow is just fien for now.

[AmyBeth68]

Amazon is super fast....the books you girls recommended arrived today.

I'm going to start my training as soon as I get back from WDW which is 1/31. So hopefully I can be ready for my March 19th 5K confidence boosting run ;). Is 8 weeks enough to prep for a 5K? I think it will be b/c I'm pretty darn sure I can run 3 miles....just don't really know my pace. I really want to train properly so I have a good experience and don't faint:faint: . LOL!

I'm still working out 3 days/week....just currently not running!

Question....when you guys are at WDW for vacation, where do you run? Are there any marked mile running areas or have you guys mapped any out?

I'll be there for 9 days at the end of August and will have to run (ugh...the heat) while I'm there. I'll need to figure out where to go :idontgeti .

[PoohsPal]

I think you're in better shape than we were, but 8 weeks would have been hard for us. You may want ot get "From Couch to 5K" for starting that soon.

We just ran around SSR, because our only run at WDW was 20 minutes the day before the marathon. I think there are paths around WL that people have run at.

I'llsee if I can drumup more info on that.

[withdisneyspirit]

I'm back in training for the Sarasota half marathon in March. Did 3.2 miles last night at a 14 min/mile pace!

:worship: Wow, I'm a little bit jealous. No way am I ready for anything but a 5K!

Way to go, Mel, that is great!

[chimera]

:worship: Wow, I'm a little bit jealous. No way am I ready for anything but a 5K!

Way to go, Mel, that is great!

That's ok Lisa...this time last year, I wasn't even ready for a 5K. My first 5K wasn't til May.

Carrie...the first week back was the toughest :faint: . So how much time do I need to convince you to come back for 2007?

Amy...I think all the resorts have some type of running area. Where are you staying in Aug? If you check at the front desk, they'll give you a map for the jogging trail. I think the lap around POR/POFQ is 1.5 miles. There's one from WL to Fort Wilderness. If you stay at SSR and get up early enough, you can go from SSR through Downtown, PI, all the way to Cirque. BTW, when will you be there in Jan? We're thinking about going up for a daytrip to the member preview for Everest?

nono...I have the Wild Todd at home (she'll be 3 next month). DH has been watching her when I go out, but I'm thinking about asking for a jogging stroller for Mother's day.

Looking forward to the 5 miles this weekend. We had a cold front last night with temps in low 40s, but are expecting low 80s for the weekend :sunny: .

[AmyBeth68]

Mel, we're doing the DVC/AP preview of E:E on Saturday 1/28. We arrive late on 1/27 and are heading home in the evening on 1/30. What day are you thinking of going? I really hope the weather stays warm for the w/end we're there. I could use some good old Floriday sun and warmth :sunny:

In August we're staying at our "home" BWV :).

I also have another question for you guys....I want to XTrain on Mondays/Fridays. After reading "Marathoning for Mortals" his schedule is Mon (easy run), Tues (XT), Wed (rest), Th (easy/mod. run), Fri (XT), Sat (long run). Do you think it would be detrimental to instead do my XT on Mon and my easy run on Tues, keeping the rest of the schedule as he suggests? I don't want to get too caught up in the details but I don't want to give up my beloved exercise class either. THANKS! ;)

[nono]

Amy,

I'm just jealous you have a beloved exercise class. I don't currently. :( I'm glad you do though!!!

[AmyBeth68]

nono....I'm half kidding about that beloved class LOL. That class can be real torture...but it's so darn good for me that I'd hate to give it up ;). he he

[chimera]

Mel, we're doing the DVC/AP preview of E:E on Saturday 1/28. We arrive late on 1/27 and are heading home in the evening on 1/30. What day are you thinking of going? I really hope the weather stays warm for the w/end we're there. I could use some good old Floriday sun and warmth :sunny:

In August we're staying at our "home" BWV :).

I also have another question for you guys....I want to XTrain on Mondays/Fridays. After reading "Marathoning for Mortals" his schedule is Mon (easy run), Tues (XT), Wed (rest), Th (easy/mod. run), Fri (XT), Sat (long run). Do you think it would be detrimental to instead do my XT on Mon and my easy run on Tues, keeping the rest of the schedule as he suggests? I don't want to get too caught up in the details but I don't want to give up my beloved exercise class either. THANKS! ;)

We're going up on the 28th :blueflowe Not sure what time we'll get there, though we usually try to leave here by 8am when we do daytrips. That usually puts us in the parks by 10.

For your training schedule, feel free to adjust as needed. I did my short runs on Mon and Wed with rest day on Thurs because that's what fit best into my schedule. I sometimes did long runs on Fri instead of Sat if we were going to be out of town over a weekend.

[PoohsPal]

Mel - I think we're there for 07 full.

Dh adn I talked the other night and I said I think I'm doing teh full, unless he wanted to try the full on his own so he could do better. He admitted that after he said he'd go for teh Goofy if I did the half he realized that meant running the full on his own adn that terrified hem. :Pssst: Yes, I've got a keeper. I did not get the official ok to sign up, be he did say he told me not to sign him up because I didn't know what I was doing. Very confusing, but I beleive we'll be doign the full, at least. :jawdroppi

[withdisneyspirit]

Can you explain the Goofy part? I am confused:idontgeti

[chimera]

The Goofy challenge was for the truly insane among us who chose not only to do the half on Sat, but also to do the full on Sunday. They got the Donald medal for the half, the Mickey for the full and a special Goofy medal.

I did five fabulous miles today to close out week 4 of the MFM W/R the half program. My last five miler was the week before the half at a 14 min pace. Today was a 13:50 pace :woohoo:

[withdisneyspirit]

Yes, that does deserve an extra Goofy medal:Pokepoke:

Way to go on that pace, Mel! Did you feel like you were pushing extra hard?

I've already had to back down again:tearsaref My left knee has fluid on it and I have osteo in the first joint of my big toe on the left foot...its acting up pretty bad! I haven't wanted to post about it because its negative:grrrrr: I haven't stopped working out though; my aerobic exercise had to be toned down though. I did my recumbent bicycle today and I did golf course hills on the treadmill yesterday. I'm even considering surgery again on the foot. My podiatrist said he could clean it out, shave the bone and make me very comfortable again. Most discussion I hear is against foot surgery so I don't know what to do:headscrat

[JimMIA]

I would strongly suggest that beginning runners not time their training runs. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by doing so, and much to lose.

Speed does not come from running faster one day than you did the day before. What little speed we need comes from running (or run/walking) week after week, month after month, year after year. Run or Run/Walk well within your comfort zone. Some days that will be a little faster than others, some days slower. Just put in the miles, and listen to your body. The little bit of speed you need will come.

There are several reasons why timing your pace is NOT helpful.

First of all, you are timing the wrong thing. As you get close to an event, you will already have a pretty good concept of what kind of pace you want to run. The biggest challenge is not to run the overall distance in a certain time, but to run the early part considerably slower than your intended overall pace. Especially in the marathon, you really need to focus on going slower in the early going.

Second, the pace of your training runs has absolutely nothing to do with your race pace at any distance. Your race pace will be substantially faster than your training pace, unless you work very hard to hold back. In a short race (5K, 5 miles), just relax and let it out. But in a longer race, you have to hold back or you will crash and burn.

Third, focusing on your pace causes injuries. It encourages you to run more quickly than your body feels like on that particular day. Your body is a whole bunch smarter than your watch. Forget your pace, run comfortably.

[JimMIA]

I also have another question for you guys....I want to XTrain on Mondays/Fridays. After reading "Marathoning for Mortals" his schedule is Mon (easy run), Tues (XT), Wed (rest), Th (easy/mod. run), Fri (XT), Sat (long run). Do you think it would be detrimental to instead do my XT on Mon and my easy run on Tues, keeping the rest of the schedule as he suggests? I don't want to get too caught up in the details but I don't want to give up my beloved exercise class either. THANKS! ;)I'll take a shot at this. Whoever's training schedules you use, they are only guidelines. Don't look too closely at the details, look at the general themes. I have not read this particular book, but to me he's saying is pretty much what everybody else says: intersperse crosstraining with rest days. Don't fixate on the minutae of how you do that -- your life schedule is going to get in the way of your running schedule often anyway. A trip will come up at work, the kids will have some big event, relatives will visit -- stuff happens.

Stick to your gym workouts and fit the running in around that. The key is not whether you cross on Monday and Tuesday, but whether you adhere to some semblance of your program month after month. So modify whatever program you use however makes sense for your life.

[JimMIA]

Yes, that does deserve an extra Goofy medal:Pokepoke:

Way to go on that pace, Mel! Did you feel like you were pushing extra hard?

I've already had to back down again:tearsaref My left knee has fluid on it and I have osteo in the first joint of my big toe on the left foot...its acting up pretty bad! I haven't wanted to post about it because its negative:grrrrr: I haven't stopped working out though; my aerobic exercise had to be toned down though. I did my recumbent bicycle today and I did golf course hills on the treadmill yesterday. I'm even considering surgery again on the foot. My podiatrist said he could clean it out, shave the bone and make me very comfortable again. Most discussion I hear is against foot surgery so I don't know what to do:headscratI'll tell you about two friends of mine -- one is a runner (marathon champion, actually) and the other is a sports podiatrist. The runner was the overall winner of a small marathon. I'm not sure what his time was; it was probably national class, not world class. But still, I think he ran 2:30-2:40 in relatively warm, humid weather.

He developed a heel spur and went to a big-name podiatrist, who had written books, given lectures, etc. The podiatrist did surgery, and two years later I could outrun him. He never recovered, and his running career was over.

The other friend is a legitimate sports podiatrist -- AND RUNNER, which the other guy was not. His basic approach to any problem is very conservative, and he almost always finds a way to eliminate problems without surgery. He, not surprisingly, is my podiatrist.

In particular, if you have had unsuccessful surgery (and possibly needing it again is the definition of unsuccessful), I would sure get a second opinion from an orthopedic surgeon or podiatrist who is preferably a runner, or at least specializes in sports medicine. I would be looking for someone who would explore every opportunity to avoid surgery. There are dozens of options with foot and leg problems, and dozens of reasons why surgery is not likely to succeed.

You have to also realize that there ARE people who were never meant to be distance runners. If you have serious knee problems, you may well be one of those, so you might want to look at something less stressful on the knees -- like sky-diving.

[withdisneyspirit]

Jim, I didn't make myself very clear. I can see that upon re-reading my quote:dunce: I am considering surgery on an arthritic foot. My podiatrist, whose reputation in my geographical area is unparalleled, offered this surgery four years ago. I told him I wanted to delay it until I was older. He said it would give me at least ten years of great hiking ability before the arthritis could take over again. Hiking is a love of DH and mine:beatinghe Keep in mind this is for arthritis in my foot; most "not so good" outcomes are for bone spurs and the like.

Finally, I had shared this on another thread in the past, the fluid on my knee is hopefully, temporary. I have lupus and intermittent flares can cause problems like this for me. They eventually pass. My goal is not really to become a distance runner, although I would love to enter a half or whole marathon in the future. My goal is to continue to put my health very high on my list, live a long time and get to see grandchildren grow up. Right now, my DS's are 16 and 13:blueflowe

[PoohsPal]

JIm - Thansk for the expert advice again! WOw.

Lisa - I'm so sorry about your knee. Of course you post the bad here. How else are we to know to give you hugs? A team means cheerign fo reach other for teh good and lifting each other up for the bad.

Mel - You're cruising! That's so awesome. It's so hard to believe tha tlast year you were worried tha tyou would not make the 16 min mile pace. You rock!

Amy - Be flexible with the schedule, but once you set your own schedule, try to stay with it. Keeping in mind to spread out rest days, don't do too many days in a row of the same thing, etc.

OK, this has not been a great week. I'm still feeing some aches & pains from teh marathon on my long runs. I skipped last night as the top of my foot wahas been hurting me. I think walking in regular shoes in WDW was a very bad idea. I just wanted my toes to see the sunshine adn these were very comfy sandals. I think I may invest in a good pair of sandals for next year (ie he hiking/running kind).

Mel - Did you taper? I was only up to 4 this weekend.

[chimera]

Intervals yesterday, W3/R2 x 10. Not a bad deal, 3.92 miles at a 14:03 pace. I've noticed since about a week after the half, the running intervals are finally getting easier

Carrie...I did a brief taper, but I have the Sarasota half in 6 weeks, so I'm on my way back up. I'm excited you're planning for 2007! :bouncingp

Jim...you made some excellent points! I am a numbers geek so I've always timed my runs and kept track of pace in a training log. But the first 7 months of conditioning, I wasn't focused on pace. I was advised to only increase mileage by 10% each week, so did my best to keep track of that. I found that pace came along as I increased my distance.

Lisa...I did feel like I was pushing a bit too hard in the second mile so I cut back on the pace a bit.

How's everyone else doing? Checked back on my training log for one year ago today...I walked 2.5 miles on the treadmill at a pace of 21:12

[nono]

I bought two books and went for a 1/2 hour walk pushing my daughter in her stroller.

Question: What are the dates of the 2007 marathon? I thought I put it on my calendar, but I didn't!

[JimMIA]

I was advised to only increase mileage by 10% each week, so did my best to keep track of that. I found that pace came along as I increased my distance.Exactly...the pace will come naturally, no matter what you do. Timing a run, in itself, is not a big deal. The big deal is timing, and feeling like you have to achieve a certain pace on a certain day. Some days the pace will be there, and other days, it won't.

The 10% weekly mileage increase is a typical, and very sensible MAXimum increase. If you are running low mileage, obviously it's hard not to increase by more than 10%. Another thing that worked well for me was rest weeks, where I ran half the average weekly mileage every 4th week during the buildup period.

Intervals usually mean repetitive fast spurts with slow jogs or walks in between. I frankly think intervals are only for well-conditioned atheletes trying to build a competitive edge. For the rest of us, intervals only increase the chance of injury.

There was a time when I did intervals, but I stopped it because I could sense the risk of injury. I never got hurt, but I don't like to worry about ripping a hamstring on the curve of a 440. Two months after my marathon, with little mileage and no speed training, I ran a series of PR's at every distance I ran.

Intervals really do not increase speed at the paces we run. If you are trying to drop your 10K to sub-40 (or sub-35), sure, run intervals. Otherwise, steady gentle mileage and gradually increasing the length of the long runs is MUCH more beneficial.

[withdisneyspirit]

Jim, the intervals Mel is referring to is her walk - jog intervals. She is not talking about a strenuous fast run interval...at least I am pretty sure! I do intervals too, to speed up my overall pace...mine are brisk walk, then gentle jog:thumbsup:

[JimMIA]

Jim, the intervals Mel is referring to is her walk - jog intervals. She is not talking about a strenuous fast run interval...at least I am pretty sure! I do intervals too, to speed up my overall pace...mine are brisk walk, then gentle jog:thumbsup:Right, I understand that. My point is that the increased pace will come as a natural result of just keeping to a schedule and adding on the miles gradually. The months of miles will bring the pace you want. Don't get in a hurry to go fast; it will come.

I think the real reason authors put interval components in training schedules for beginning runners is to just vary the routine. The real key to training is to stick with it for months and years, and variety helps keep you from getting bored with another day, another run/walk. Variety might mean taking a different route for new scenery, intervals, doing an occasional group run or race, etc. Using several different routes (even for the same distance) is one of the best ways to break the monotony. Anything that keeps it interesting over time is helpful.

[PoohsPal]

Yes, Jim, othe Marathoning for Mortals plan has intervals (where you push hard and then take it easy), but that's not until you get into teh "real" training (16 to 20 weeks out). Her intervals are just adding runs to keep her pace up. Although it will get better with time, it does help when you're workign with maximum paces on some races or to give you a little harder exercise.

So are you signed up yet Jim? ;)

nono - The half is on teh 6th and the full is on the 7th.

I took last night off. I'm still havign top of my foot issues and even Curves was more than I wanted to put weight on it. I think it'd heal faster if I could just wear slippers to work.

[nono]

OK, I think I can do this. :-) We'll do cash for 2 rooms...and then maybe invite my MIL along so she can watch the peanut while we run. APs will still be valid, so no charge for parks...hmmmm...and peanut will be 35 months old, so they'll be no charge for her....this is sounding like it is a slam dunk!

Got two books yeaterday, and am 1/2way through the first one: The Complete Book of Running for Women. A lot of stuff I could skim over. Couple of interesting points. Can't say I'd recommend it though. Will make decision on that once I've finished the book.

[JimMIA]

One of the things every runner should have is a detailed log of your workouts. A good log helps you understand what you are doing and have done, as well as where you are going. When you have those days where you just don't feel like doing it, the log both gives you confidence and puts pressure on you to get back out there.

Just for grins, I went to download.com and did a search for "sports training" The search yielded several training log packages.

I selected one called ProLog, and it looks like it has everything I could want. It tracks various types of training (running, cycling, swimming, weights, etc) and also has a good, simple (automatic) graphing feature. You have a number of things you can select as defaults (weight, resting HR, recovery HR, temperature, etc.) For me, temperature is a key factor because it's hard to run like the wind in 90 degree weather, so that's helpful to track. It also automatically calculates your pace if you enter both distance and time.

Like most shareware programs, it's free to try (25 entries) and I think it costs $29.95 to buy. I'm sure there are others, but this is a good one.

[PoohsPal]

Cool!! Thanks Jim!!

We can upload our Garmin info to the computer. It's going to be fun to compare this year to last year.

Jim brought up a really good point, though. The more you do, the less you doubt yourself when you take the next step. The whole process really was amazing. You look at things 1 week at a time sot that you don't overwhelm yourself. You look back as much as you want, though. You'll amaze yourself when you look at how far you've come!

[JimMIA]

Yes, Jim, othe Marathoning for Mortals plan has intervals (where you push hard and then take it easy), but that's not until you get into teh "real" training (16 to 20 weeks out). Her intervals are just adding runs to keep her pace up. Although it will get better with time, it does help when you're workign with maximum paces on some races or to give you a little harder exercise.

So are you signed up yet Jim? ;)

nono - The half is on teh 6th and the full is on the 7th.

I took last night off. I'm still havign top of my foot issues and even Curves was more than I wanted to put weight on it. I think it'd heal faster if I could just wear slippers to work.I'm not signed up yet, but I do think you folks are corrupting me! I ran today for the first time in years. I'm going to ease back into things a little and see how I feel in a couple of months.

[PoohsPal]

Corrupting???? I think you mean inspiring! ;) :Pokepoke:

[JimMIA]

Corrupting???? I think you mean inspiring! ;) :Pokepoke:Nope. I've been there before -- trust me, it's corrupting!

[PoohsPal]

Nope. I've been there before -- trust me, it's corrupting!:Pssst:

[nono]

Hey if this is a corrupting experience, I'm definitely in!!!!!:kickingco

So, I guess I've started my pre-training regimen, if you will. I am alternating 30-40 min. walks pushing the 25 lb.-er in the umbrella stroller one day with a 22 minute yoga routine the other. Neither of this is particularly taxing, but I simply want to get on a regular schedule of some sort while I'm reading the training books. I'm even planning to bring my yoga mat and a yoga dvd with me to WDW when I'm there in 10 days. I'm also asking around for recommendations for a competent fitter for running shoes. I have one leg shorter than the other and overpronation, so I need someone good to set me up! Too bad I can't run in my ski boots. :mad:

[JimMIA]

Hey if this is a corrupting experience, I'm definitely in!!!!!:kickingco

So, I guess I've started my pre-training regimen, if you will. I am alternating 30-40 min. walks pushing the 25 lb.-er in the umbrella stroller one day with a 22 minute yoga routine the other. Neither of this is particularly taxing, but I simply want to get on a regular schedule of some sort while I'm reading the training books.That's the key -- getting on a schedule. And of course, getting on a schedule with a 25-pounder will be even more difficult in some ways. Once you get on a schedule, you miss it when you don't exercise. Once you skip a day and feel you missed something, you know you're really on your way. I'm even planning to bring my yoga mat and a yoga dvd with me to WDW when I'm there in 10 days.If I could pick an exercise I wish I could do, OR one I thought was beneficial for runners, it would be yoga. It is wonderful for flexibility, and flexibility prevents many injuries. I have one leg shorter than the other and overpronation, so I need someone good to set me up!I ran a lot of marathon training runs with a guy who had one leg a LOT shorter than the other. You'll do fine. Your body has been adjusting for those mechanics forever, so this will just be another adjustment. The pronation is the greater problem, but can be fixed with orthodics.

[chimera]

On intervals...I actually think I'll always do some form of interval, though I'd like to train for '07 with more running than walking. I've never been a distance runner so I'm a bit afraid I'd get bored if I wasn't doing intervals.

For training logs, I'm partial to www.coolrunning.com. It's totally free and lets you track various sports. It's completely personalizable so you can put it whatever you want. Also keeps track of your mileage...daily, monthly and for the year. One cool feature is that you can add your shoes and keep track of the mileage you're putting on them. I'm almost to 300 miles on my purple ASICS!

Jim...corruption is one of my virtues :goodnevil

Nono...sounds like you're starting nicely. I'm thinking about asking for a jogging stroller for Mother's Day to bring the wild todd along on occasion. How long have you been doing yoga? It's something I've always wanted to try and I still need some cross training help.

Carrie...what's up with your foot? If you'd like, I can send you a doctor's note for wearing slippers to work :slyasafox

[nono]

Yoga on and off for probably 6-7 years. I almost never go to a studio. I'm partial to the yogazone series. They have dvds and also rebroadcast the old shows on Comcast's own station in the morning. I have "taped" the entire series, as well as bought several yogazone dvds from amazon. According to their website, they are also on the Wisdom network (I think that's on DishTV).

One note. Currently, I'm doing what I call "combat yoga." My daughter, 23 months, tries to do the poses along with me. She's quite good. Then, she decides it's more fun to practice clipping me or riding horsey on my leg when I'm in a lunge (!). If I can make it through combat yoga, I think a 1/2 marathon will be a breeze. :tongue:

Why do I persist? Yoga really helps keep me long and smooth, vs. short and bulky. Being of average height, long and smooth is very appealing!

[withdisneyspirit]

Carrie, is your foot any better? I think your workouts will have to:chillpill for just a little while...:hug: :dust

[AmyBeth68]

I think that both Yoga and Pilates are a great compliment to any workout b/c both strengthen your core muscle groups and more even more importantly are active stretching exercises.

I studied yoga for years and loved it, you can really make a huge difference in your flexibility if you keep up with it. But I switched to pilates because I think it incorporates more of the abdominal strength that I was looking for to help with post-pregnancy back problems I encountered. Both are wonderful and probably excellent x-training activities for running. Maybe one day of each? If I wasn't so hooked on cardio-kickboxing I'd probably do both of those as my x-t days. There are wonderful yoga videos out there, you don't have to go to a studio.

The Windsor Pilates tapes are pretty good, but I would definitely recommend at least taking a few classes before using tapes b/c Pilates can be challenging to the point that you *could* hurt yourself if you don't learn the proper technique. But once you get the basics down you could easily do mat pilates in your home with DVDs.

[PoohsPal]

Well, I skipped MOn and Wed, but my legs were hurting (running withdrawl believe it or not), so I went out last nigt. Only did half teh 40 min, run though. May have to :chillpill some more.

DArn Mel, WIsh I had seen your offer before I went out and picked up a pair of Born shoes. :jawdroppi Very comy, but a little pricier than I'm used to.

I really need to work on core training. I should have been diong tha twthis week whil I've skipped running, but I've been bad. :tsktsk: Still trying to get my act togetehr. This body just did not want to get back from WDW!

[chimera]

Carrie...you may want to think about having your foot xrayed. I'm a little concerned you may have a stress fracture.

I've kinda had a hard time getting back into since WDW, too. And I just realized my next half is only 5 weeks away so I need to get back into training mode. Did 6 miles today at a 13:56 pace...last 6 miler was training for wDW and was 15:21.

Do y'all recommend yoga first or Pilates? I kinda like the zen calm of yoga, but wonder if I need more core building from Pilates. Maybe start with yoga and work my way to Pilates?

[nono]

OK, my MIL is in for the trip in Jan., so we have a babysitter! I'm thinking at this point that we sould probably go with two moderate connecting rooms, on cash :holymoly: , as we'll be likely out of points, and won't want to negotiate cooking with MIL involved.

Soooo, for those of you who've BTDT, how soon does the World book up for reservations for Marathon Weekend? Any ideas?

And, still walking -- yesterday the venue was New York City. It was an awesome day. Today is yoga day! I like yoga a lot. It makes it hurt so good! :o

Chimera, my sister is a massage therapist, and is a newly certified Pilates instructor. She has practiced yoga about as long as I have. I'll ask her your question next time I talk to her and get her opinion.

[PoohsPal]

Mel - Thanks for teh concern. I was almost there unitl I removed my shoe charm. :bagovermy Think we're better now. Just a very bruised ego.

[nono]

Committment:

5K on April 16.

:)

[chimera]

Carrie...glad to see the foot problem was something simple to fix

Nono...congrats on your committment. We'll be cheering you on! :bouncingg

Amy...what's different about Windsor Pilates? Is that better than regular Pilates?

I did 4 miles tonight at a 14:09 pace. I'm going to try to start upping the pace a bit and increasing my intervals from w3/R2 to W3/R3. Someday I'd like to actually run a whole 5K to see what my time could be...might train for that in the 'off-season' (between the Minnie 15K and the '07 WDW half).

[AmyBeth68]

Mel, Windsor Pilates is just one of the many DVC/taped pilates sets you can buy. I'm not sure, but I think the lady who created the tapes is named Windsor.

It's a pretty comprehensive video set if you want to do pilates. But I still would recommend taking a few classes if possible since so much of it is about form and the instructors can really help you with that.


And Nono....CONGRATS on making the commitment!!!!

[PoohsPal]

Woohoo nono!

I just signed up for a 5.6-miler across the Mackinaw Bridge. Warnign on entry for: First half of race us up a 5% slope. Duh....what woudl you think a bridge is.

Mel - congrats on teh pace! you're kicking butt this year!

[jnrrt]

Okay, I really have nothing to do with this thread, but I wanted to say that you are a brave woman, Carrie. I can't even drive over the Mackinac bridge without flipping out. I certainly would not want to be able to look down - especially when you're going over those grids and looking at the water. But then, I have heights issues.

Seriously, I'm sitting here giving myself willies thinking about that, lol! Maybe I could run these things if they'd let you do it safely on a treadmill with the tv going.:tongue:

Somehow, I think a Disney race might be more my speed.

[withdisneyspirit]

Woohoo nono!

I just signed up for a 5.6-miler across the Mackinaw Bridge. Warnign on entry for: First half of race us up a 5% slope. Duh....what woudl you think a bridge is.

Mel - congrats on teh pace! you're kicking butt this year!

When is the race, Carrie? That is great, although the grade is gonna make it pretty tough. Is the Mackinaw Bridge the whole 5.6 miles? I hope that ? doesn't earn me a sign:o

[PoohsPal]

You guys crack me up. Actually, I know exactly what to expect, because I walk it every year for Labor Day. I know runnign will be different, but mentally teh fact that I've walked it so many times should help.

Jnrrt - I also drove this bridge10 times a year when I was as school. Never bothered me. Then again, I rode with my parents 4 times a year when my db was at school, so I was used to it. Many people are freaked out by it.

Lisa - The bridge is actually 5 miles. We will start a little north of it and end a little south of it.

[chimera]

Carrie...the bridge run sounds cool! Any photos?

Thanks for the info on yoga and Pilates! I think the Y has classes in both so if I can find one that fits my schedule, I'll be set!

[Disneymooners93]

I just signed up for a 5.6-miler across the Mackinaw Bridge. Warnign on entry for: First half of race us up a 5% slope. Duh....what woudl you think a bridge is.

Wouldn't that make the second half of the race DOWN a 5% slope though?? :Pokepoke:

Is it too late to sign up as a maybe on "cool team" for the 1/2 marathon in 2007? DW floored me last month when I was looking at the Disney marathon information and she stated that she wanted to do it with me (as a goal to get her back in shape). She certainly could do it, but our current life predicament is not conducive to marathon training. She still may want me to do it as preventive medicine for an impending decade turning birthday. :crymeariv

If we're not ready for 2007, you got me thinking of walk/jogging the half with DW, and then trying to run/walk/:scary:/crawl for the Goofy in 2008.

[PoohsPal]

Did someone say photos? You're asking the girl who has over 120 "useable" photos from teh amrathon and another 22of teh remainder of teh trip!

Here's last year's walk.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/PoohsPal/IMG_0039.jpg
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b352/PoohsPal/IMG_0042.jpg
Pertty much eevryone you can see on tehleft side of teh road is my family.

[PoohsPal]

Wouldn't that make the second half of the race DOWN a 5% slope though?? :Pokepoke: That would eb the beauty of it! :D

Is it too late to sign up as a maybe on "cool team" for the 1/2 marathon in 2007?
Wow, I didn't know I was on the cool team ;), but you bet you can join us!!!

you got me thinking of walk/jogging the half with DW, and then trying to run/walk/:scary:/crawl for the Goofy in 2008. I do believe that's how I'd have to do the Goofy. ALthough, I may join you in 08.

[withdisneyspirit]

All this talk of Goofy is blowing me away! 39.3 miles! I'm not sure my lower half would ever allow me to do that in two days. Disney sure does know how to make you want it though, giving three beautiful medals for it :magnify: :sunny:

[jnrrt]

Just wanted to check my facts before I said it, but yep, the Mackinac Bridge is officially the longest suspension bridge in the world. A 5 mile suspension bridge. That's why it makes me nervous. You can feel it moving, and they've only got these tiny little sides on it (not like in NY where they must assume everyone's about to jump or something) so you're driving across it thinking, hmmm, if we veered just a little, we'd die. That's not a comfortable feeling. But the bridge is amazing. You look at it and can't figure out how anyone was able to make that happen over such a huge expanse of water.

Okay, back to your marathon thread. Sorry to interrupt!

[PoohsPal]

It's pretty hard to fall off jnrrt. ALthough it happened once, you'd have to drive teeeny tiny car on a very windy day adn be going wayyyyyy over posted speeds. They don't have cages, as you are only allow to walk/run on the bridge twice a year and then they have the National Guard out to make sure that you don't stop!

[nono]

What happens if you stop? Does the Guard shoot ya?:huh:

Sounds like a neat run (in general!).

[PoohsPal]

They usually just tell you to keep moving or don't go by teh guard rails or "Get off the median you big over-grown kid!" FYI -That was not directed at me. ;)

[AmyBeth68]

:ROTFL:

BTW....I think I'd be afraid to run on the bridge too. I've got issues with heights.

Of course...that would explain why I am already having nightmares about visiting the Grand Canyon in a few months :jawdroppi . I think I might just attach my kids to me with ropes or something, of course they think I'm completely crazy. :hammer:

Back to marathon training. Well, I haven't started training yet but I did exercise again today. I really need to get to that running store to get fitted for some good sneakers. In addition to that I'll need some decent cold weather running clothes.

What do you guys wear when the temps are in the 30's or below as is often the case where I live. I figure February and part of March are going to be pretty chilly for my runs. Any advice?

Thanks!!!

[PoohsPal]

Amy - My mom's afraid of heights but has not problem on the bride.

OK, marathon quesitons. I wear a long sleeve shirt adn running tights that are wicking (coolmax, moisture wick, polar max, under armor...). Then add another ls shirt or sweatshirt adn windbreaker and nylon pants. LOTS of sales now, so it's a really good time to pick stugg up. ALso, "magic" gloves, those little strtchy knit ones work good and I wear a hat. I prefer a head band, but it just doesn't work wiht my hair. No, I'm not vain (you can see that in the marathon pics), but I try not to look reidiculous.

[AmyBeth68]

Thanks Carrie! I guess I better get shopping!
Fun!!!

[chimera]

This is what I wear for a half marathon in 44 degree weather
:hehehehe: http://www.asiorders.com/view_user_photo.asp?PID=&EVENTID=8161&PWD=&ID=20186053&FROM=browser&START=673&SHOW=48&CAT=83844&SUB=25450

Running makes you sexy!

[withdisneyspirit]

This is what I wear for a half marathon in 44 degree weather
:hehehehe: http://www.asiorders.com/view_user_photo.asp?PID=&EVENTID=8161&PWD=&ID=20186053&FROM=browser&START=673&SHOW=48&CAT=83844&SUB=25450

Running makes you sexy!

ROTFLMBO!!! If I remember correctly, didn't you give someone an extra sweatshirt you had that morning?

[nono]

Mel,

Spoke to my sister. She said Pilates and yoga are complementary...here's her reader's digest version of how to decide which is more important to ya. Pilates is all about the core -- if your back and abs need to "get tight" this is the way to do it. If your overall body needs tone and balance, then yoga would be the better choice. Also, she said, there's nothing spiritual at all about Pilates. It's straightforward exercise.

Food for thought.

[AmyBeth68]

Okay runners.....another question for you!

When you are running (during training not during the marathon) do you use Ipods/MP3 players? I used to wear them when I ran but now I'm not sure if that is considered bad for training.

Thanks :)

[PoohsPal]

Amy - Many poeple use them. technically they are "not recommended" durign the race, but many had them. I only use mine when not with dh. Be carful, though. I've heard of a few night attacks lately and the attackeees are typically wearing head phones, an indcation that they may not be as aware of their surrounds or hear someone coming. As long as you can keep yourself safe, go for it.

[AmyBeth68]

:doublejum I officially started my training. Right now....just to keep my mind wrapped around an attainable goal....I am training for a 5K using Galloway's training plan. It's very similar to john bingham's, so I feel pretty confident with it!

Yesterday I bought my sneakers :faint: , I knew they'd be expensive but the sticker shock still knocked me out! LOL. But I don't have great feet....they are flat which leads to an overpronation (sp?). I went to a running store and they helped me out. But of course...the sneakers that felt the most stable for me were the most expensive!

And obviously I had to buy my socks, warm tights, warm shirt, wicking hat! My DH is like :holymoly: ....you better actually do this! :bitemylip

Anyway...I started out bright, chilly and early this AM. I walked for 5 minutes to warm up then just ran for 20 minutes. I finished with a 5 minute walk. In 25 minutes I walked/ran exactly 2 miles. Not sure if that's good or not :idontgeti . But I felt like my cardio recovery was pretty good....that crazy class I take 3 days a week must be paying off!!!!

Now here's my question....I live in a very very hilly area. So I'm pretty much 1/3 flat, 1/3 uphill and 1/3 downhill. Is that a disadvantage for me or does it help? I just feel like I'm getting such a break on the downhill. Granted the uphill is killer....feels like I'm running in molasses! But I feel like I'm cheating on the down?!! Hmmmmmm

[withdisneyspirit]

Amy, that is wonderful!! :woohoo: You really must be in good shape and are you like...25 or something?:scratchch I am very impressed and I would think the hills would be an advantage in preparing for a road race!

[AmyBeth68]

((((HUGS))))) Thanks for the kind words. I'm actually 37 :blech: , but my goal is to be at my best by 40 :woohoo: .

Anyway, I had no idea how far I ran b/c I've never clocked my neighborhood loop. So I jumped in the car and...funny thing was that as it turns out the loop I ran was exactly 1 mile...very weird. Basically I walked for 5 then just started running and did the loop twice. Now normally within 1/4 of a mile I'd be sucking for air and have to stop and walk...and that is how I always "ran". Which I've heard is a really good way to train btw....intervals. But for the 1st time EVER...I actually just kept running :jawdroppi . It was the weirdest thing, I couldn't believe I didn't have to stop. So it just HAS to be this class I've been taking since September.

But to give you an idea about this crazy class....I had been at a gym for nearly a year prior to starting this kickboxing class. I *thought* I was in pretty decent shape. But if I tried to run it still felt like torture to me and I always was gasping for air. Then in Sept I started this class.....the first day I almost passed out. I'm not joking either....I had to get an ice pack and lay down before the class was over. It was the hardest exercise thing I've ever done. So here I am, about 5 months later and WOW what a difference :goodvibes . I don't think I had ANY idea how much better my cardiovascular condition was than a year ago :beatinghe .

[JohnNJ]

Now here's my question....I live in a very very hilly area. So I'm pretty much 1/3 flat, 1/3 uphill and 1/3 downhill. Is that a disadvantage for me or does it help? I just feel like I'm getting such a break on the downhill. Granted the uphill is killer....feels like I'm running in molasses! But I feel like I'm cheating on the down?!! Hmmmmmm

Absolutely not cheating! This kind of terrain is great for training although it sometimes slows beginners down. The best course of action is to try and run all of the terrain (hills and flats) at the same pace most of the time. As you progress you'll be adding in specific training routines each week, ie: speed, hills, etc. When it's your day to run hills you would run the uphill AND downhill hard and recover on the flats. Up, down and flat use different muscle sets.

I have to drive to find hills I can train on. You're very lucky. :woohoodan

John

[PoohsPal]

Amy - That's awesome!!!! You are more than on track for teh marathon. Yes, I've heard great things about JG's plan too, so you'll be fine.

Having hills will only help you. People willtell you that WDW is flat, which it is. Howver, there are overpasses adn ramps. Funny, they act a lot like hilss. ;) I do feel the need to warn you, though, while you want to use the downhil, don't let yourself get out of control at all. If you go too fast, you can hyper extend your knee. SO, as long as you keep in contrl, you should be fien.

[nono]

((((HUGS))))) Thanks for the kind words. I'm actually 37 :blech: , but my goal is to be at my best by 40 :woohoo: .



Whoops -- I missed that train! Between 37 - 40 is when I fell apart. Just about all the way back together now at 41. :Paranoid:

No real training this week, unless chasing after characters counts. We are really looking forward to being back here in January and participating in the 1/2....it's gonna be very very fun!

[AmyBeth68]

I decided to re-read this thread to see what our team currently looks like. I have to say it's an impressive group ;). We also have a few maybes that I've listed.

Please let me know if I've got this correct. I'd LOVE to make a little clippie for us but I'm computer-illiterate with stuff like that so sorry :(.

Full:
Poohspal - Carrie

Half:
AmyBeth68 - Amy
withDisneySpirit - Lisa
Nono
Chimera - Mel

Maybes:
JenD
JimMIA
JohnNJ
Disneymooners93

[chimera]

Looks like a fabulous group, Amy! :jumpingbe

[PoohsPal]

Woo hoo! Thansk for doing that Amy!!!! After my week hiatus, I will start runing again today. If foot is not better in 2 wks, I'll go for a bone scan. :tearsaref Also may change if x-ray shows something else.

[AmyBeth68]

:dust Oh Carrie....here's some pixie dust. Sure hope your foot is better.

What exactly happened? Did you injure it recently or is this an ongoing problem?

Best of luck!!!!

[PoohsPal]

It started sometime the week after the marathon. I tyhought it was just from the shoe charma I had on my shoe, but it got worse again. The doc thinks that when I fell durign the marathon, that probably did it, but I just did 't notice until later. I'm sure she's right. The walking on it at wdw and continuuing to run finished it off. I just need lots of ice adn advil for now, though.

[withdisneyspirit]

It started sometime the week after the marathon. I tyhought it was just from the shoe charma I had on my shoe, but it got worse again. The doc thinks that when I fell durign the marathon, that probably did it, but I just did 't notice until later. I'm sure she's right. The walking on it at wdw and continuuing to run finished it off. I just need lots of ice adn advil for now, though.

I had a feeling, Carrie...I actually asked you if it was the fall a little while ago on the FEB exercise thread! I am so sorry; I hope it heals quickly:dust :dust :dust

I would so like to do the half...I haven't quite decided yet :( It kinda depends upon my foot and whether I have surgery. I guess I will go see my podiatrist in the next couple of weeks and see what he thinks; he hasn't seen my foot in about 4 years!

BUT, I wanna go (Lisa throwing a mild tantrum) especially with all of you!!!!

[AmyBeth68]

Ohhhh Lisa...would love for you to do the 1/2 with me! Definitely see the doc though and get the a-okay!:grouphug:

[Disneymooners93]

Whoops -- I missed that train! Between 37 - 40 is when I fell apart. Just about all the way back together now at 41. :Paranoid:

I started losing it at 37 too. Perhaps it was the new baby. :Pssst: I am going to be back at 39, though!!

Okay, you all have got me thinking this marathon thingy is actually going to be a goal now. I've ordered the books and started running (6 miles at 7.7 minute miles, today). And now have found a 1/2 marathon in Calgary on July 9 and a full in Whitefish, MT around Sept 17. I have convinced myself that I could easily do the WDW half and very probably do the full in 2007. Is trying to do the 1/2 in July and/or a full in Sept a good plan, or bad timing, if I would also try to do the full or even the Goofy in January?

The other part of the equation would actually getting to WDW in January (we're probably doing a family X-mas trip as well). But I am sure if I make this a goal that part wouldn't be hard. If I write this off as my mid-life crisis, instead of getting the convertible Mustang that I've been planning for since age 16, I should get full support from home.

[PoohsPal]

(6 miles at 7.7 minute miles, today)
:jawdroppi Ummm...I think you may be too fast for our team. ;) ;)

Holy cow! If you can do that now, you are golden for the marathon! :thumbsup: You darn well better sign up! :p

[AmyBeth68]

I started losing it at 37 too. Perhaps it was the new baby. :Pssst: I am going to be back at 39, though!!

Okay, you all have got me thinking this marathon thingy is actually going to be a goal now. I've ordered the books and started running (6 miles at 7.7 minute miles, today). And now have found a 1/2 marathon in Calgary on July 9 and a full in Whitefish, MT around Sept 17. I have convinced myself that I could easily do the WDW half and very probably do the full in 2007. Is trying to do the 1/2 in July and/or a full in Sept a good plan, or bad timing, if I would also try to do the full or even the Goofy in January?

The other part of the equation would actually getting to WDW in January (we're probably doing a family X-mas trip as well). But I am sure if I make this a goal that part wouldn't be hard. If I write this off as my mid-life crisis, instead of getting the convertible Mustang that I've been planning for since age 16, I should get full support from home.

:worship: I don't think I could EVER run a 7.7 minute mile sustained. Good God! You must be in amazing shape. I mean.....that is mighty impressive. The full will be a breeze for you if you keep training. I think our humble little team is very slow for you....but you are welcome to join us! Have you been running for long? What else do you do to XT etc? I think that you have clearly NOT lost it at 37 :jawdroppi .

[withdisneyspirit]

I
Okay, you all have got me thinking this marathon thingy is actually going to be a goal now. I've ordered the books and started running (6 miles at 7.7 minute miles, today). And now have found a 1/2 marathon in Calgary on July 9 and a full in Whitefish, MT around Sept 17. I have convinced myself that I could easily do the WDW half and very probably do the full in 2007. Is trying to do the 1/2 in July and/or a full in Sept a good plan, or bad timing, if I would also try to do the full or even the Goofy in January?



Hey, DM93! Did you have the baby? I thought you were a fella?:idontgeti

Your time this morning was so wonderful! Have you been running a long time? I really don't know how often you should attempt a marathon so I don't feel qualified to answer. Maybe you could PM JimMIA with your questions about how much and how often:thumbsup:

[AmyBeth68]

Hey, DM93! Did you have the baby? I thought you were a fella?:idontgeti

:ROTFL: Too funny....my DH called it his "sympathy baby weight". But what it really is are those late nights with the crying baby keeping the guys from their early am workouts! That's just my guess....or at least that's my DH's story and he's sticking to it!!! :ROTFL:

[PoohsPal]

AS far as training, teh full rquires 20 weeks, plus 3 to reverse taper from the last marathon, according to the penguin. I think the half shoudl kind of fit in to your full training schedule, though. The Sept to Jan might be close. I think you may want to take it easy in Sept. if you want to do them both. (Maybe 10 or 11 minute miles). JMO.

[PoohsPal]

That DVCers get $5 off on entry fees? There is a special form for tus. let em know if you need it.

[AmyBeth68]

:jawdroppi I DID IT!!!!


I booked BWV std view 1 BR for Marathon weekend. We're checking in on Saturday morning (we're actually arriving at MCO on Friday but we'll stay near the airport since it will be pretty late). I have us staying until Wednesday post Marathon. Had to borrow my 07 points for this....EEEEEK!!!! I better make sure I commit to this now.

:help: I can't believe I am doing this. I actually feel really really scared. I'm questioning my sanity. PLEASE tell me that I am being logical. OK....mini-freak-out is now over. I better get some work done here. :hyper:

edited to add: And apparently I've decided to do the full instead of the half. As you can see I'm checking in Saturday. OMG!!!

[PoohsPal]

I don't know if people who have already doen the full and are doing it again can claim to be logical themselves, but I do not think you'll regret it! Making the committment is what helps keep you going. Congrats!!!!

CAn I e-mail the sMarahton sign up to you? ;)

[AmyBeth68]

:thumbsup: Yes Carrie.....if you don't mind, please email me the marathon registration. I went on the DVC site but it still had the 06 Marathon form?!

Not sure if my email is on my profile page...I'll pm it to you!

[nono]

I'm planning on staying on CASH! :jawdroppi The folks from the disneysports site sent me a mail last night with their pricing (HIGH!) But I may start there and then decide what else to do. I'll be out of points (I think) for Jan. And two rooms for a short trip will be easier with MIL in tow....

[Disneymooners93]

Yes, I am a Fella. :cowboy:

:Have you been running for long? What else do you do to XT etc? I think that you have clearly NOT lost it at 37 :jawdroppi .

I did lose it at 37, I am now approaching 39 and getting it back. I am a sporadic runner. I'll go a while and then stop for a long while. I guess I am fortunate that even when I lose IT, IT is never that far away. I've only been back running for a couple weeks. I went from barely being able to do a mile to doing six in a very short time. It drives my wife crazy, too. :crazy: Right now all I have done is walk and run, all I'll usually do for XT is weights. I'm going to start them soon as well. My wife wants to start exercising too so I may start doing Pilates with her occassionally.

: Too funny....my DH called it his "sympathy baby weight". But what it really is are those late nights with the crying baby keeping the guys from their early am workouts! That's just my guess....or at least that's my DH's story and he's sticking to it!!!

Yes that's it precisely. Baby-time, moody-Mommy-time :tapedshut and several other things interfere with Daddy-time, and exersizing goes away.

If you can do that now, you are golden for the marathon! You darn well better sign up!

Well, I've only done a couple runs over 6 miles - 7.5 being my max. The Marathon distance is quite a psychological hurdle, that until like yesterday, I never ever contemplated. I know I could do it if it was a goal, but I am not feeling it is "golden" yet.

: I think our humble little team is very slow for you....

A team is more than just running or walking at the same pace. Without you guys getting me on a marathon goal and the exercise challenge I would easily get back on the couch and grumble about how tired and out of shape I am. Even though I can go a little faster, I'll need you all to get to the end. :donald: :mickeymou :goofy:

[AmyBeth68]

We are honored to have you with us DM93!!! :thumbsup: Our little team is growing...and I am sure that you can do the Full! I've just decided myself to do the full, so we are starting this journey together! :handshake

Is your DW still considering it? Tell her we'd love for her to join our team too. I know it must be hard with your little ones. Mine are in school now...although DD6 is only 1/2 day for kindergarten. But it does free me up to get those runs in.

I think you guys will like pilates, I know it's a great complement to running. Probably a good idea as XT. Matter of fact I'm considering dropping one of my K-boxing days to add a Pilates day just to break up my XT.

[AmyBeth68]

I'm planning on staying on CASH! :jawdroppi The folks from the disneysports site sent me a mail last night with their pricing (HIGH!) But I may start there and then decide what else to do. I'll be out of points (I think) for Jan. And two rooms for a short trip will be easier with MIL in tow....

Nono....I hear ya' about being out of points! We're borrowing from 07 for this :innocent: . That is partly what makes me sooo nervous. There's no turning back for me LOL!

[PoohsPal]

DM93, I hoope you took my ribbing in the fun it was intended. You are absolutely correct. I flew in hs cross country, but the thought of 26.2 miles was something I could not fathom and I could do up to 10 miles at a time! A great mixture is what really makes a team work. We eill all gleen from each other!

OK, my wonderful dh (remind me of that when he ticks me off please ;) )left me a v-day card in my truck this am. Inside it was a sticker with running shoes the definition of running and

The greater the challenge, the greater the glory when completed.

OK, it's not an exact quote, as my brain is tired and I left it in the car, but you get the picture. I think that all of us who have completed this great challenge will agree that the glory was, and is, great! So, for all of you taking on this challenge for teh first time, just take it one run at a time and it will be worth it in the end!!!

That's my lesson fo rtoday and it fits mst appropriately with dm93's remarks. Don't look at that 20-miler until it comes. WIth each new distance you run, you will feel more and more confident that you can make tha tnext step. If you look at the end right away, though, it will overwhelm you! I have every confidence that every member of this team can do a marathon. Now you just have to believe in yourselves!

Registration is in the mail for dh and I,

Speaking of points...I've borrowed all but 17 of my 07 points. Yikes! ANd I'm not even using points for the marathone, although I may donate those 17 towards our ressie and pay the rest in cash (BCV owner making ressies).
Oh, and I think that extra snow cusion on the bike path really helped my foot last night. :upsidedow My 3-miler went fairly well, but slow.

[nono]

1. Carrie, where can I find lace tying strategies?

2. Carrie, can you make Rozzie subscribe to this thread as a moderator? :thumbsup:

3. Husband said OK to living with his Mom in a studio for 4 nights, so I booked BWV BWview today. We'll arrive Thursday morning and leave Monday night.

4. Anyone have any favorite running socks? I'm partial to Thor-los for skiing, but know nothing about running socks. Want to get them before getting the new shoes.

THX

[PoohsPal]

1. Carrie, where can I find lace tying strategies? I'm not sure if I can find a pic. Her's teh verbal. You lace all teh way up to the 2nd before the top (the top being the one further back fr narro feet). Instead of tying off, you stay on teh same side of the shoe and put the lace into the top whole. This makes a loop with teh top 2 holes. Then, you put the slaces through the opposite loops and pull. This will tighten at the top two holes. Understand? Let me know if I need to clarify or do it on my shoes and post.


2. Carrie, can you make Rozzie subscribe to this thread as a moderator? :thumbsup: WIsh I could. AMybe I can just pm every post to her. ;) lllovell and jnrrt too!


3. Husband said OK to living with his Mom in a studio for 4 nights, so I booked BWV BWview today. We'll arrive Thursday morning and leave Monday night.Cool!!!! Let ROzzie know!

4. Anyone have any favorite running socks? I'm partial to Thor-los for skiing, but know nothing about running socks. Want to get them before getting the new shoes.
THX I really like Feet-ures. They are seemless and come in both light and heavy weight. tried 'em, liked 'em, only ones I've used.

have you signed up yet nono?

[Rozzie]

lurking:shhh:

[PoohsPal]

lurking:shhh:
Good, that's less pm's I need to send you! ;)

[AmyBeth68]

Nono.... As for running socks, I like WRightSock CoolMesh. I haven't tried others yet? And YEAH you'll be at BWV with me :bouncingp. TOO COOL!

Carrie....I guess I should try tying my shoes that way. I just have been lacing them up super tight?! I'll give it a go. So glad to hear your run went well!! :thumbsup: Can I ask you....does the 3 Mile seem super easy now that you've completed a marathon? Just curious LOL! I was wondering if it's so much easier now after all your training. Just because I'm pretty wiped now after my 2 miler. Trying to envision the marathon....just envisioning my 5K in April.

Speaking of 5K, NONO!! Do you want to sign up for one of the Jersey Shore runs in the fall? There are several 5Ks. It would be fun to run with you guys :D. And good practice for the WDW Marathon?! Give it some thought. I'll pm you with the details once I find them!

And I agree...DM93...we were totally just impressed! Sounds like you are doing great in your fitness goals. I had a bunch of people say to me that I could do the full based on where I am right now. With that said....I still can't totally wrap my mind around the miles. Especially since I seem to struggle with my 2 miler :(. I was just in AWE of your pace. My goal is to hit a 10 minute sustained mile. But for now I'd just like to not lose my speed on mile 2 LOL! A negative split would be nice too!!! he he he :blueflowe

With that said I tried a different approach today to compare my runs from last week. I am fighting off a cold so that may have had some impact. But the weather was beautiful and really felt good to run in a sunny 35 degrees! :sunny: I ran my first mile at exactly 11 minutes. That includes a significant hill within the first .5 miles. From there I coasted on a nice gentle downhill which lead to a great long flat straight! Once I hit mile 1 I walked briskly for 60 seconds. This lead me right into my long, slow up-hill. Now I REALLY know what it means when they say "uphill battle". Each time I hit this spot on my run I grimace. It's brutal! But I ran it the whole time....definitely NOT at conversational pace when I got to the top. From there I have another reward....a long gentle downhill. I recovered my HR pretty quick and hit the straight flat feeling great! Exactly 10 minutes after my 1st 60 second walk I walked another 60 seconds. From there I had a gentle upgrade run to reach my 2 mile mark. I hit it right at 12 minutes for a total run time of 23 min. SAME time as my all run of the same course on Saturday? I was amazed. I think my walk breaks allowed me to recover enough to hit the uphills better than the other day which must have made up for time lost in the 2 minutes of walking.

Hope I didn't bore you guys with my painful details of the run. But I thought it might interest you to post the run/walk results. I'll try again on Thursday...I'm doing the easier 2 mile run that I did last week. I should be able to finish it quicker...we'll see how it goes?! I'm shooting for an 11/11. Let's just hope I'm not into full-blown head or chest cold at that point!

[nono]

Carrie,

Let me try it on my shoes and I'll post a picture...

No, haven't signed up yet. Did you say there's a DVC discount? Or am I dreaming that ?(yes, I'm already dreaming about this!) Are we all supposed to sign up to get in one corral as a team or doesn't Disney do that?

Amy,

Yes, let's run together in the fall. The first 5K I'm doing is the Cape May County Zoo one on 4/16.

This is all coming together nicely!!!

Oh, and Rozzie, :fresh:

[PoohsPal]

Amy - Be careful about tying your shoes too tight. That can cause bigtime foot pain! (yes, I know from experience)

The 3 miler does seem short, but I have a mental issue with weeknight runs and with my foot...Not as easy as it should be. Also, the first Sat run after teh marathon, I thought 3 miles was gonna' kill me!!!

Believe it or not, and I shoudl not jump ahead like thing, but you will get to a point where you say, "I only have to do 8 miles today." Even 10 will be close to that. It threw me last year too, but you will get there.

When dh and I started last year, I used to get really mad because our walk always took us to the bottom of a big hill and we'd have to do our entire run interval uphill!!! :jawdroppi That hill really only bothers me now if the wind is whipping in my face and it's covered with ice or slush. You will be grateful for that hill when you get to the bridges at WDW.

I think our pace actually go tslower wehn we cut out our walk interval. :confused: I think the body and mind really look forward to that rest time. I needed to prove to myself that I could run the whole thing, though. Just something I felt I had to do. (Walking through water stations, picture adn potty stops don't count. ;) )

Please don't push yourself too hard, though or worry too much about pace. You are well under 16 minutes. The pace will come with time automatically. If you push too hard, though, injuries happen.

[chimera]

here's a website with a cool guide for lacing your shoes. I combine the techniques for high arches and heel slippage.

http://newbalance.com/productbrowser/performance/lacing_for_a_better_fit.html?sport=Running&gender=&product_type=&feature=

[nono]

So if there are others like me who wouldn't know if the person at the shoe store actually knows what he/she is doing, here's a few hints to evaluate if the person evaluating your fit has a clue...

http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,5033,s6-52-167-0-7726,00.html

Any additional hints?

Thanks for the socks recommendations. I'm making my list right now.

[AmyBeth68]

Just had to share...sorry this is OT.

My DD 6 just told me she wants me to buy her, and this is in her words, " a miniature pair of running sneakers, and miniature running clothes so I can run with you. Then we could both do the marathon!". OMG...how cute! She is just a love. But isn't that great...I'm instilling in them the value in exercise without even trying!!! :woohoodan THAT is such a reward.

Also...thought I'd share a picture here of my little girls from our last trip. I feel so close to all of you here on this marathon thread (((HUGS))).


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b3/AmyBeth68/GirlswithPooh.jpg

[PoohsPal]

Nothing like starting the day with a pic of my favorite bear! Your girls are adorable too!!!

There are dashes for teh little ones on Saturday. This year they got little chicken little "medals" They were rubber, but very cute. Maybe your dd's could do those.

It's great that you're making such a postive inflluence on your girls. Mel - Is your dd still doing some running?

[Disneymooners93]

Runnersworld.com is a great site!! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sport/sport-smiley-006.gif There is all kinds of information that I never gave thought to before. I looked up all the advice for shoes and found the pair I last bought are what I should have. I knew they felt the best of any I have ever had, but had I known this stuff before... :hammer:

Oh, baby just fell asleep. Gotta go. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sport/sport-smiley-003.gifhttp://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sport/sport-smiley-007.gif

[chimera]

4 miles tonight at R3/W2 :birhdaypa yeah, that's right...run 3 min, walk for 2 :doublejum First time I've upped the intervals like that. Pace wasn't as fabulous as I'd hoped (13:40), but still ok. Just dont ask me if my legs are sore :innocent:

I have to do 10 miles this weekend, then start tapering next week for my half on March 5!

Carrie...DD13 is doing the Minnie with me. She's going to start training after I come off the Sarasota half. She has soccer practice 3 days a week already, so we figure she'll just need to do the long runs on the weekends to build up her endurance.

Amy...did you ever get ahold of the Non-Runners Marathon Trainer? I'd be happy to send you my copy if you'd like! Great picture! Thanks for sharing it!

Here's the wild todd trying School Bread in Norway

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[Disneymooners93]

Couple questions...

Are there busses that gets you to the starting line? Or drive/cab? I guess by the end of the race the regular bussing are running. I'm assuming you can't go through Epcot from BCV/BW in the morning.

Is the 7 month window for BCV or BWV reasonable for this weekend? May only need a studio but might need a 2BR.

I thought I read of a discount for the last race for a team entry but don't see it for 2007, is there just the DVC discount? I could use the DVC registration. Even though I am still a maybe, I feel pretty good that I'll be there.

For deciding starting corral, do prior races results need to be from "certified" races? Some that I have looked at are not certified. The info on the Disney site makes it sound like any race of the right length would be fine.

When did the registrations close for the 1/2 and the full in 2005?

[AmyBeth68]

Couple questions...

Are there busses that gets you to the starting line? Or drive/cab? I guess by the end of the race the regular bussing are running. I'm assuming you can't go through Epcot from BCV/BW in the morning.

Is the 7 month window for BCV or BWV reasonable for this weekend? May only need a studio but might need a 2BR.

I thought I read of a discount for the last race for a team entry but don't see it for 2007, is there just the DVC discount? I could use the DVC registration. Even though I am still a maybe, I feel pretty good that I'll be there.

For deciding starting corral, do prior races results need to be from "certified" races? Some that I have looked at are not certified. The info on the Disney site makes it sound like any race of the right length would be fine.

When did the registrations close for the 1/2 and the full in 2005?

I can answer few questions, I'll let Mel or Carrie field the rest :).

There are marathon buses at each resort which get you to where you need to be. I wouldn't hold out for 7 month window IF you want BWV std. views. Otherwise I *think* you will be okay at 7. I tried to book a std. view studio last week and they are going fast....couldn't get them for the days prior to the races. HOWEVER, I decided I wanted a 1 br anyway and was able to get std. view no problem. There is a DVC registration form...it gives you a small discount off the race price. Carrie emailed it to me, I can email it to you if you'd like. Just send me a pm with your email address. I believe registration closed in August or September last year.

I'm curious about whether times need to be certified? Great question...interested to hear the answers :). I think though that they only need to be certified if they are under a certain time?! Just can't remember off the top of my head what that pace was?

MEL!!! GREAT job on your r/w intervals. You must be so excited :cheerlead . I'm heading out for a 2 mile run today. I am going to try to throw in a few walks again to see how my time compares to last week. I'm doing the easier course with less hills because my legs are killing me LOL! I'll let you guys know how it goes.

[nono]

Got me some running shoes. :yes:

And, I may be doing a 5K on 3/26 instead of 4/16. I guess the zoo forgot that this year that's Easter? So, my training may commence next week vs. 3/1 as I was anticipating.

Surprise! :birhdaypa

[PoohsPal]

nono - I missed some of yur questions earlier.

Yes, there is a $5 discount for DVC members. I can e-mail you that form if you'd like.

As fro corrals, there's no way to ensure we'll end up together. SOme people take cell phone sand try to meet at a certain point. You won't know your corral until you pick up your race packet at WWoS Thursday or Friday.

DM93 - Yes, buses take you from your resort to teh start (and back too).

As for times, if you are doing teh full and put down an estimated time of less than 5 hours, you need to send in proof. FOr teh half, sub 2:15 needs proof. If you don't put down a time, you will be in teh last corral. I'd recommend taking a stab at a time.

I believe registration closed f or both in August last year. When it starts getting 50 to 60% full, those registered will get e-mnails and let you know. Also, I think they have that info on the website.

Woo hoo for the shoes nono!!! What'd you get?

[nono]

I found the registration form on the DVCmember site yesterday, so I think we're all set there. Cool about the corrals -- so we can just send in our forms and not worry about that. I'll get an official time off of the 5K on 3/26, so that should help, I guess.

For shoes, I ended up with Saucony 3D Grid Hurricane 7s. for $89.99. I didn't realize I had gotten a good price until I came home and saw the list price. I have already enabled the lace lock. :) We'll see what my feet say about my choice in a couple weeks!

I'm really itching to get started! Done yoga 5 days straight this week (it's only a 25 min session) and I've been walking to as many of my shopping chores as possible, so I'm getting my walk in and not avoiding chores (!).

[Disneymooners93]

Okay, so what is the Team Mouseowners cancellation policy?? Awh, never mind, I'll accept it even if it is steep. Scratch me off the "Maybe" list. And right now, I'm feeling a little Goofy :bouncegoo. If I can't do it before I am 40, how am I going to do it after? If I can get it done, will you guys teach me about Yuengling? :ale:


I'm going to mail off my registration form on Tuesday for the Calgary Half Marathon on July 9.


Also, found out yesterday that I can get a discount on Asics (my running brand) through work. Let's see what actual running gear can do for me.

[PoohsPal]

Woo hoo dm93! :cheerlead
Ummmm.... NO big penalty for cancellation, you just can't! We won't let you! ;)

Very jealous of your Asics discount! :yes:

ETA: WIth what you've been doing. If you take it very easy for the half, I'm sure that you'll have no problem. Can I learn about Yeunglings with you? I know the talk, but I've ne ver walked teh walk. ;)